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Ancient Mediterranean + Europe
Course: Ancient Mediterranean + Europe > Unit 6
Lesson 3: Daedalic and Archaic- Tiny Timelines: Archaic Greece in a global context
- Kouroi and Korai, an introduction
- Lady of Auxerre
- Bronze helmet donated by Olympic gold medalist Son Gijeong
- New York Kouros
- New York Kouros
- Marble Statue of a kouros
- Anavysos Kouros
- Anavysos Kouros
- The Kouroi of Kleobis and Biton
- Peplos Kore from the Acropolis
- Peplos Kore
- Ancient Greek temples at Paestum, Italy
- Sanctuary of Apollo at Delphi
- Siphnian Treasury, Delphi
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New York Kouros
Marble Statue of a Kouros (New York Kouros), c. 590–580 B.C.E. (Attic, archaic), Naxian marble, 194.6 x 51.6 cm (The Metropolitan Museum of Art)
Speakers: Dr. Beth Harris and Dr. Steven Zucker
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- Why would ancient Greeks want to use a portrait of a young man as a grave marker?(19 votes)
- Although the source was from a wikipedia page, which is not always credible, in this case it is. I took a few art history classes and the information that shlomofingerer1 brings up is accurate with what I've been taught. The Greeks admired youth and beauty, which is why much of their art is youthful. War veterans and Olympic winners were honored with a Kouros statue for their strength, youthfulness, and achievements in life. In many cases the statues would eventually be used to mark their grave.(24 votes)
- Why do they show their "private part"? Why not, not include it in the sculpture?(2 votes)
- They show him nude(not naked, naked is like going to the shower but nude is for art) because that was the style and if they didn't show his private parts, it would look a little odd if it showed him nakedd but just without a part. They also showed 'it' because they want him to look at though he really would posing for a nude sculpture. Hope that helped!(2 votes)
- Why would a man have braided hair?(2 votes)
- Possibly a symbol of socioeconomic status. Certain hairstyles are worn by different parts of a caste system. On Guam (my home island), the men higher in the caste system wore shaved heads with top knots. That was the fastest and easiest way to differentiate between who was a peer and who was part of a wealthier more powerful family.
You can look at it in the same way that aristocrats and royalty wore cosmetic wigs from the 16-18th century as a mark of status.(3 votes)
- What do they mean when they say this doesn't make sense from all sides?(4 votes)
- I don't really agree with this. I think it looks fine from the back and sides. Is there some sort of more "Quantitative" reason for it being labelled "frontal"? (I know it's art, don't try to quantify it, but could someone be a little more specific?)(3 votes)
- Are they always with no clothes on?(4 votes)
- Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kouros . I got the impression that by definition, a Kouros is a class of art, & yes that class of art is nude as a rule.(3 votes)
- What type of material is he made from ?(3 votes)
- At, it says that the sculptor was a man. Would that have been the case? Were women formally or generally barred from creating these objects? 1:06(2 votes)
- There are depictions of male sculptors from ancient Greece. I do not remember seeing examples of women carving. Nevertheless it is good practice not to make assumptions.(4 votes)
- why the left foot forward then? why not the right?(2 votes)
- There are deeply rooted teleological explanations for the contrapposto stance (A teleology is an account of the purpose/use of a given thing or object or, in this case, body part). Based on archaic Greek philosophy, the right side of the body is to be preferred, thus placing the weight on the right leg is preferred by early Classical period artists who innovated the contrapposto. It has also been discussed that the emergence of the kouros type may also be linked to their exposure to the conventions of ancient Egyptian sculpture. You might seek out the work of Guy P.R. Métraux for more on anatomy and philosophy in Greek sculpture.(5 votes)
- Would these statues as grave markers have been painted?(3 votes)
- Some even say that these votive statues were initially fully clothed, or at least they had a belt around their waist.(2 votes)
- Is the way the sculpture is standing due to balance issues, so as not to fall over had its arms spread wide like in Roman art or renaissance? I am thinking that in this period that they have not figured out distributing weight as well as the sculptors after their time did.(3 votes)
- sculpting of the Kouros statues did change with time, the definition of the body and the shape of the spine became more life-like as the sculptors became more skilled, later Kouros statues show different and more complex muscle patterns and greater attention to the curvature of the spine, so it may be that the posture as it is in this kouros is a result of artistic inability rather than a balance issue(1 vote)
Video transcript
(soft piano music) - [Voiceover] We're in the room in The Metropolitan Museum of Art that's devoted to archaic Greek sculpture. - [Voiceover] Most of it funerary so sculpture meant to mark graves. - [Voiceover] But I
just saw a man walk over to this 2,600 year old sculpture and put his hand as a kind of
caress against her backside. Of course, this is wrong in so many ways but what happened is, for
him, 2,600 years collapsed. That sculpture was this
sensuous female figure. - [Voiceover] That man walking through the Met felt something that the Ancient Greeks felt when
they made these sculpture. They were a lot of other things but they were also deeply sensual. - [Voiceover] We came into
this room to look at a kouros. A funerary sculpture of a young man. It's a life size marble-- - [Voiceover] And we
should say a nude young man because as we've just learned, although the female figure is clothed, and when the Greeks made
these the female figures were clothed and the male figures were nude both were equally sensual. - [Voiceover] The only thing
he's wearing is a little choker around his neck and a headband to fill it but what struck me was that the man who sculpted this kouros
figure was creating something that was meant to trespass lifetimes to exist longer than any individual. - [Voiceover] It's made
of stone and it endured for millenia and it was
made to mark a tomb. So, indeed it was meant to last and to serve as a reminder
not only of his life but of his connection to his family of his family's lineage across time. - [Voiceover] It's important
to note that this would have been made for an aristocratic family but it's also important to note
that this is not a portrait in the way that we think
of that in a modern era. It's not in any way a likeness. It is, instead, a symbol. - [Voiceover] An ideal of
manhood, of perfection. I'm interested in the way
that in the sixth century we have sculpture during
this archaic period that's made largely for
aristocratic families for the elite in Athens
and the surrounding area. When we move into the fifth century with the developments towards democracy we have sculptures that are made and commissioned for the
state and by the state and that are very different than what we see during the archaic period. This early Greek image, so clearly dependent on the Ancient Egyptians. We could go through the
Ancient Egyptian galleries and see figures very much like this. Usually, they're wearing a loin cloth or some kind of clothing
representing the Pharaoh, representing the kings of Egypt. - [Voiceover] But there's
a real distinction here which is that this figure
is cut away from the stone. The stone between his legs is removed. There is no stone backing. He stands upright in this gallery, in the middle of the
room, completely unaided by anything but his own two legs and there is a kind of
extraordinary autonomy that results. - [Voiceover] Well,
autonomy and so much more because when the Egyptians
embedded that figure in the stone they gave it a sense of transcendence of timelessness, of being
godlike in some way. By freeing the figure from the stone, we immediately have a sense of him being much more like us, much more human. - [Voiceover] Existing in our space. - [Voiceover] Exactly and moving into our space, of striding forward. - [Voiceover] Look at his stance. His shoulders are squared, his hips are squared, his leg is forward. - [Voiceover] There's a sense of movement but no real movement. - [Voiceover] Those
limbs are locked in place even as they're representing symbolically the forward movement of the figure. - [Voiceover] So during
the classical period, in the next century, the
Greeks would make figures that stand in contrapposto that is they've shifted their weight. Their weight is firmly on one leg. One knee is bent and the whole
body becomes asymmetrical. Here, really aside from
that one foot being forward the figure is very symmetrical. It occupies a very strange place between being here present with us and also being absent from us
and that's in the gaze too. There's a way that he looks past us. He doesn't engage us. - [Voiceover] The lack of
contrapposto, the symmetry, does place him in some ways firmly in a world that is not ours. A kind of ideal, perfect world. - [Voiceover] His features have been reduced to geometric shapes, even his body parts are very geometric. - [Voiceover] As a
result, very much isolated from each other so you have
an arm which seems distinct from the torso as opposed to
creating a smooth transition. In fact, you might even
look at this sculpture and see it as very cubic, perhaps even referencing the four sides of the stone that this was carved from. One can imagine a block of
marble that this sculpturer is approaching from four different sides. - [Voiceover] Actually, drawing the figure on those four sides and
then cutting the stone away and using a system of proportions, very much like the Egyptians did. - [Voiceover] The sculpturer has been really careful about
creating a kind of alternation between flat areas, for
instance, of the face against much more complex
and deeply carved areas, the braided or beaded hair, which creates this beautiful frame for the face. - [Voiceover] Mm-hmm. - [Voiceover] Now, this
is a huge block of stone. It weights about 2,000 pounds. It's about a ton of stone that remains. It really is a tremendous feat that they've been able
to create a sculpture that is balanced and supported on essentially two narrow angles. - [Voiceover] Without falling over. - [Voiceover] But you'll
notice that the sculptor has left a little bit of a bridge between the clenched fists
at his side and his hips to help support those
arms because if they were free hanging they would be too fragile. - [Voiceover] And even so, you can see that this sculpture is 2,600 years old and it was obviously put
back together by the museum. Over time it broke and
it's always interesting to look for that and to notice what maybe a reconstruction
and what's original. Although here, I think everything that we're seeing is original. (soft piano music)