Cosmology and astronomy
Cepheid variables 1
Cepheid Variables 1. Created by Sal Khan.
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- At1:45Sal says that Cepheid variable start help show that there are stars beyond our galaxy and even galaxy's beyond our galaxy. However in the next video in this series (https://www.khanacademy.org/science/cosmology-and-astronomy/stellar-life-topic/cepheid-variables/v/why-cepheids-pulsate) it is explained that the pulsating is due to a change in luminosity and not as is implied at6:50that it has to changing distance relative to other stars. If this pulsating has nothing with movement, if it does not show orbit in a plane other than that of our galaxy, how does it help prove that there are other galaxy's?(11 votes)
- The pulsating is due to change in luminosity. We know that the frequency of the pulsation corresponds to the peak luminosity, so we measure the frequency and then we know the absolute luminosity. When you know the absolute luminosity and you know how bright a star appears from earth, then you know how far away the star is.
When we determine the distance to cepheids, we see that many of them are much too far away to be in our galaxy.(9 votes)
- How have we gotten pictures of the Milky Way galaxy if the farthest man-made satellite is just at the edge of the solar system?(4 votes)
- That is not a real picture of the Milky Way Galaxy. There are two options that that could be. It could either be an artist's depiction of the galaxy or it could be computer generated image based on measurements to certain objects.
Hope this helps!(5 votes)
- Why are those stars called Cepheid Variable Stars?
(Especially the first part 'Cepheid' )(5 votes)
- The first Cepheid Variable discovered was Delta Cepheid, in the constellation Cepheus.(6 votes)
- I notice that in the picture showing the different galaxies at the start of the video, there's several named galaxies along with "NGC 6822". Is there any particular reason that its assigned that instead of a mythical name like Andromeda or other name?(4 votes)
- There are a few galaxies with names like the Sombrero Galaxy, the Pinwheel Galaxy, Triangulum Galaxy, etc... However, since galaxies are fairly faint, requiring telescopes to see the majority of them, most of them have only been recently discovered (within the past 100 years) and by then, astronomers were finding so many new objects that they were more concerned with cataloging them than naming them.(6 votes)
- At 5.20, since the period is the independent variable and the relative luminosity is the dependent variable, why shouldn't period be placed on the x-axis of the graph?(5 votes)
- The period is not the independent variable; independent is sometimes a matter of perspective. but there's no law that dictates 100% of the time how you make a graph,
Focus on the concept of the cepheid variable, not the formatting of the graph.(4 votes)
- Are Cephid Variables common in the milky(4 votes)
- There are likely about 20,000 Cepheids in the Milky Way. You can think of Cepheid Variability as a "phase" of a star's existence, and only a small fraction of all stars are even capable of existing in this phase. Furthermore, the Cepheid Variability phase lasts a very short fraction of a star's lifetime.(2 votes)
- At7:18you state that if you know the absolute luminosity of a cepheid variable star, then you know the absolute luminosity of any other cepheid variable star. How can that be? Isn't that an assumption? Don't they vary in their absolute luminosity from one star to another?(5 votes)
- By measuring the distance to cepheid variable using other methods like parallax and then using this to compute the max absolute luminosity and comparing it to the variance rate we were able to see that there is a relationship.(3 votes)
- I know this was asked before, however, I haven't seen an answer which explains this clearly so I thought I'd ask for some insight: I understand the concept that the distance of Cepheid Variable stars from earth can be measured by their luminosity. However, this would have to mean that all Cepheid stars with 1 day periods are equal (at least emit the same luminosity) to all other Cepheid stars with 1 day periods, and the ones with 2 day periods have the same luminosity as all other 2 day period Cepheid stars, and all 3 day are the same as all 3 day and so on... Is this something that has been proven? that all Cepheid Variable Stars with the same periods emit the same luminosity? Sorry if it's redundant.. I'm just really curious. Thanks!(5 votes)
- Why can they be certain that a cepheid with the a period of - lets say - 10 days, has the same luminosity as a cepheid with the same period, if they were both at the same distance away? Not all cepheids are the same, right?(4 votes)
- Yes, that's the whole point of cepheids: they have a well-known relationship between their period and their luminosity. This has been known since the 1920's. It was discovered by Henrietta Leavitt. It was a very important discovery, because it is the whole basis for using Cepheids as "standard candles"(4 votes)
- How do cepheids form? Are they the result of some slight difference in a star's development? Or is it a totally different process?(4 votes)
This right here is a picture of Henrietta Swan Leavitt. And she made, a little over 100 years ago-- this is in the early 1900s, while working for Edward Charles Pickering, who was a Harvard astronomer, while working for his observatory, she made what is arguably-- well, definitely, one of the most important discoveries in all of astronomy. And I would say it ranks their top three, because it really enabled people like Hubble to start realizing that the universe is expanding or even being able to think about how to measure distances to objects in space well beyond the reach of our tools with parallax. We saw with parallax, you have to have extremely sensitive instruments just to even measure distances to stars relatively close to us. Very sensitive instruments to get to stars maybe further out into our galaxy. And we don't have the instruments, even today, to measure things beyond our galaxy. But because of Henrietta Swan Leavitt, we were able to approximate or get good senses of the distance to objects beyond our galaxy. So let's just think about what she did. So her job was literally to classify stars in the Large Magellanic, I have trouble saying that, Magellanic Cloud and the Small Magellanic Clouds. And this is what they look like from the Southern Hemisphere. This is the large, right over here. And that this is the small, right over here. And remember, this is before Hubble realized that there-- or showed the world-- that there are stars beyond our galaxy, or that there are galaxies beyond our galaxy. So at this point in time, people didn't even fully appreciate that these were separate galaxies. We just said, hey, these are kind of these blobs or these clusters of stars that we see in the Southern Hemisphere. And just to get a sense of where they are relative to our galaxy, the Milky Way Galaxy-- this is obviously not an actual picture. We can't take a picture from this vantage point. This would have to be very, very far away. But this is the Milky Way right here. And this is the Small Magellanic Cloud. And this is the Large Magellanic Cloud. I'm getting better at saying it. So her job was literally just to classify the different stars that she saw. But while she was classifying, she looked at these things called variables. And it turns out what she was looking at were a class of stars called Cepheid or Cepheid, Cepheid variable stars. And what's interesting about them is two things. They're super-duper bright. They're up to 30,000 times as luminous as the sun. And they're 5 to 20 times more massive than the sun, 5 to 20 times the sun's mass. But what makes them interesting is one, they're really bright. So you can see them from really far away. You can see these Cepheid variable stars in other galaxies. In fact, we can see it well beyond even the Small Magellanic Cloud or the Large Magellanic Cloud. But you could see these stars in other galaxies. And what's even more interesting about them is that their intensity is variable. That they become brighter and dimmer with a well-defined period. So if you're looking at a Cepheid variable star-- and this is just kind of a simulation, a very cheap simulation-- it might look like this. And then over the course of the next three, four days, it might reduce in intensity to something like this. And then after three, four days again, it will look like this. And then it'll look like this again. So it's actual intensity is going up and down with a well-defined period. So if this takes three days and then this is another three days, then the period, one entire cycle of its going from low intensity back to high intensity, is going to be six days. So this is a six-day period. And what Henrietta Leavitt saw, and this wasn't an obvious thing to do, she assumed that everything in each of these clouds are roughly the same distance away. Everything in the Large Magellanic Cloud is roughly the same distance away. And it's obviously not exact. This is an entire galaxy. So you have obviously things further away in that galaxy and things closer up. You have stars here and here. And their distance isn't going to be exactly the same to us, even though we're sitting maybe over here someplace. But it's going to be close. It wasn't a bad approximation. And by making that assumption, she saw something pretty neat. If she plotted-- so let me plot this right over here. So she plotted on the horizontal axis, if she plotted the relative luminosity. So really, the only way that she can measure this is just how bright did they look to her? And she's assuming that they're same distance. So obviously, if you have a brighter star, but it's much, much further away, it's going to look dimmer. So if you assume that they're all roughly the same distance, then how bright it is will tell you how bright it is at the actual star. So she plotted relative luminosity of the star on one axis. And on the other axis, she plotted the period of these variable stars. She plotted the period. And what I'm going to do is I'm going to do this on a logarithmic scale. So let's say this is in days. So this is one day. This is 10 days. This is 100 days, right over here. It's a logarithmic scale because I'm going up in powers of 10. If we take the log of these, this would be 0, this would be 1, this would be 2. And so that's what I'm using as a scale. So I'm using the log of the period or I'm just marking them as 1, 10, 100. But I'm giving each of these factors of 10 an equal spacing. But when you plot it on this scale, the relative luminosity versus the period, she got a plot that looked something like this. And this is obviously not exact. She got a plot that looks something like this. It was a fairly linear relationship when you plot the relative luminosity against the log of the period. So this is obviously a logarithmic scale over here. And so you could fit a line. And why, I'd argue and I think most people would argue, this is one of the most important discoveries in astronomy is if you know-- because think about what the problem here is. We can look at all of these stars in space. Let's say you look at a fraction of the sky and you look at something that looks like that. So it's really bright. And then you see something dim that looks like that. So if you have a very superficial understanding, you say, oh, this star is brighter. You would say that this is a fundamentally brighter star. But how do you know that? Maybe, instead of being brighter, maybe it's just a dimmer, closer star. Maybe this is a closer star. Maybe this is an entire galaxy, but it's so far away that you can't even tell. But all of a sudden, by the work that Henrietta Leavitt did, if you see one of these Cepheid variable stars in another galaxy, you know its relative brightness compared to other Cepheid variable stars. And so if you can place just one of these Cepheid variable stars, if you know exactly the distance to one of them, and then you know its absolute luminosity, you then know the absolute luminosity of any other Cepheid variable stars. So let's say using parallax, which is our other tool, we find-- let's say there are some star in our galaxy. And let's say using parallax we're able to come up with a pretty good measure that it is, I don't know, let's say it's 100 light years away. And this star is a Cepheid, this is a Cepheid variable star. And let's say its period is one day. It's one day. So we now know something interesting. We know variable stars with a period of one day, at 100 light years away, will look like this, will look like this drawing right over here. So if we later on, if we later on see a Cepheid variable star with a period of one day, so it gets brighter and dim over the course of one day and maybe it's red shifted as well, but maybe it looks a little bit dimmer. It looks like this. We now know that if it was 100 light years away, it would have this luminosity. So based on how much dimmer it is, we can then figure out how much further away this Cepheid variable star is. If that confuses you a little bit, I'll do a little bit more details in the next few videos so we can get a closer sense of how the math would work. But this was a big discovery. Just discovering this class of stars, this Cepheid variable class-- she wasn't on the one who discovered them. People knew before her that there were these stars that got brighter and dimmer. But what her big discovery was is seeing this linear relationship between the relative luminosity of these stars and their period. Because then, if we see Cepheid variable stars in completely different galaxies or galactic clusters, by looking at their period we know what their real relative luminosity is. And then we can guess how far those things really are. We could estimate how far those things really are.