AP®︎ Calculus BC (2017 edition)
- Finding relative extrema (first derivative test)
- Worked example: finding relative extrema
- Analyzing mistakes when finding extrema (example 1)
- Analyzing mistakes when finding extrema (example 2)
- Finding relative extrema (first derivative test)
- Relative minima & maxima
- Relative minima & maxima review
Sal finds the relative maximum point of g(x)=x⁴-x⁵ by analyzing the intervals where its derivative, g', is negative or positive.
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- How would you determine if an endpoint on a closed interval is a local minimum or local maximum?(3 votes)
- So, Sal keeps mentioning that if the derivative is undefined, then the point is a critical point. Does that mean that if the slope of the tangent line is vertical at that given point, does that make that point a critical point?(2 votes)
- If the tangent line to a point (x, y) is vertical, then the derivative (slope of the vertical line) is undefined, so the function has a critical point at (x, y).
A critical point occurs wherever the derivative is either 0 or undefined. All extrema of a function will occur at critical points, though not all critical points will end up being extrema.(2 votes)
- Ok, so if the the derivative of f(x) is a fraction, how woud I find the critical numbers? Do i set the numerator and denominator equal to 0?
ex) the derivative of f(x) = (-4x+4)/(x+4)^4(2 votes)
- A critical point is a point where the derivative equals 0 or undefined so you would set the numerator equal to zero to find where f'(x)=0 and the denominator equal to 0 to find f'(x)=undefined(2 votes)
- At1:44, what exactly is the significance of Sal's "critical points"?(2 votes)
- Why 4/5 is a relative max? If the function increases from (0:4/5)? So 4/5 MUST BE GLOBAL MAX(2 votes)
- Global maximums are also relative maximums, so 4/5 is both a relative maximum and a global maximum. This is because the requirement for relative maximums is met where there is a global maximum (f' goes from f'>0 to f'<0).(1 vote)
- What about if the two critical numbers found are the same value? How would one go about finding the relative extrema?(1 vote)
- If two critical points occur at the same x value then it is actually just one and the same critical point. So you only have to check that one point.(1 vote)
- How do you know you've covered all the possibilities for the critical points?(1 vote)
- If you have an understanding of where the asymptotes are as well where the gradient is undefined or equal zero. So it helps to have an understanding of curve is its combination of two functions, is some conic section, some algebraic expression.
It basically through having an understanding of differentiation and limits that you ensure all critical points as at times it could be a bit difficult.(1 vote)
- if we take double derivative and then put critical point in. its either concave up or down
if concave up then its relative min at that point, if concave down then relative max.
at zero i can't use double derivative.
what am i curious about is that "Is it work for all functions or for some function"(1 vote)
- It bothers me how he keeps giving us a graph with a drawing that has one of Xs having f'(x) = undefined, yet doesn't give us an equation that could result to the drawing of a graph that has a "pointy" extrema.....(0 votes)
- An absolute value function has a "pointy" extrema ("corner"). Also some piecewise defined functions can have cusps or corners as well resulting in an undefined derivative at that point.
Hope this helps! :)(7 votes)
- how did you get 8/16?? you were doing g'(1/2) and you got 1/2 - 5/16 and than became 8/16 - 5/16 how is this?(1 vote)
- [Voiceover] So we have g(x) being equal to x to the fourth minus x to the fifth, and what we wanna do without having to graph g, we want to figure out at what x values does g have a relative maximum? And just to remind us what's going on in a relative maximum, so let me draw a hypothetical function right over here, so a relative maximum is going to happen, so you can visually inspect this, okay that looks like a relative maximum. That's kind of a top of a mountain or top of a hill, these all look like relative maximum and what's in common? Well the graph, the function is going from increasing to decreasing at each of those points. It's going from increasing to decreasing. Increasing to decreasing at either of the points, or you could say that the first derivative is going from positive to negative. So if you look at this interval right over here, g prime is greater than zero, and then over the next interval when you're decreasing, g prime would be less than zero. So what we really need to think about is when does g prime, so let me see, relative, we care about relative maximum point, and so that's essentially asking when does g prime go from positive to negative? From, from, I wrote fror. From g prime greater than zero, to g prime less than zero, and the values that we could look at or the points are our critical points and critical points are where g prime is either zero or it is undefined. So let's think about it, where is g prime of x equal to zero? g prime of x is equal to zero when well let's just take g prime of x. We're gonna leverage the power rule right here, four x to the third power, four x to the third, minus five x to the fourth. Minus five x to the fourth is equal to zero. Let's see, we can factor out an x to the third. So we have x to the third times four minus five x is equal to zero. So this is going to happen when x is equal to zero. Let me not skip steps. So this is going to happen when x to the third is equal to zero, or four minus five x is equal to zero. For x to the third equaling zero, that's only gonna happen when x is equal to zero, and four minus five x equaling zero, we'll add five x to both sides, you get four is equal to five x, divide both sides by five, you get 4/5 is equal to x. So here these are the two places, where our derivative is equal to zero. Now are there any places where our derivative is undefined? Well our function right over here is just a straight up polynomial. Our derivative is another polynomial, it is defined for all real numbers. So these are our two critical points, or we could even say critical values. Now let's think of what g prime is doing on either side of these critical values, and I'll draw a little number line here to help us visualize this, and so. So there we go, little bit of a number line. Let's see we care about zero and we care about 4/5. So let's say this is negative 1, this is zero, this is one, and so we have one critical point at, let me do this in magenta, we have one critical point here at x equals zero, and then we have another critical point. I will do this at x equals 4/5. So 4/5 is right around there. So that is 4/5 and let's just think about what g prime is doing in these intervals, and these critical points are the only places where g prime might switch sides, switch signs. So let's first think about this, let me pick some colors I haven't used yet. So let's think about the interval from negative infinity to zero. So this is the open interval from negative infinity to zero, and we could just plug in a value, let's try negative one, negative one is pretty straight forward to evaluate. So let's see you have four, you're gonna have four times negative one to the third power. So that's gonna be four times negative one, minus five times negative one to the fourth power. So that's just gonna be one. So let's see this is going to be negative four minus five. Which is negative nine, so right over here, g prime is equal to negative nine, and so we know over this whole interval, since it's to the left of this critical point, we know that g prime of x is less than zero, and so our function itself is decreasing over this interval and so we know we need to go from increasing to decreasing, so you can already say well we can't go from increasing to decreasing at this critical point, because we're already decreasing to the left of it, but anyway let's just think about what's happening at the other intervals. So in the interval between zero and 4/5, so that interval right over there, so it's between zero and 4/5, well let's just sample a number there. Let's say the number, I don't know, 1/2? Might be fairly straightforward. So we can evaluate g prime of 1/2, g prime of 1/2, is equal to four times 1/2 to the third power. 1/2 to the third power is 1/8. So it's 4/8, or it's just 1/2 minus five times 1/2 to the fourth so that's 5/16 minus 5/16 and so this is equal to 8/16 minus 5/16 which is equal to 3/16, but the important thing is it's equal to a positive value. So in this blue interval right over there, and actually let me put 4/5 in a different color so we see that it's not part of that interval. So in this light blue interval right here between zero and 4/5, g prime, g prime of x is greater than zero. So we know our function is increasing, and so let's see what's happening to the right of this, and the easiest value to try out would just be one. So let's try out x equals one. It's in that interval. So when x equals one, I'll just write g prime of one is equal to four minus five. Four minus five, which is equal to negative one. So g prime of x is less than zero, g prime of x is less than zero. So our function, so we could say g is increasing here. It is decreasing, oh sorry let me be careful, g is decreasing here. The function itself is decreasing cause our derivative is negative. Then our function is increasing here cause our derivative is positive, and then our function is decreasing here. So at what critical point are we going from increasing to decreasing? Well we're doing that at x equals 4/5. So we have a relative maximum at x equals 4/5. 4/5, if they said, "Well where do we have "a relative minimum point?" Well that's going to be happen at x equals zero. We're going from decreasing to increasing, but we've answered their question of where do we find a relative maximum point.