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Ordering numeric expressions

Ordering numbers expressed as decimals, fractions, and percentages. Created by Sal Khan.

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  • female robot grace style avatar for user Melissa S.
    At , why does Sal change the mixed number 1 7/68 into an improper fraction? Wouldn't it be easier to pull the whole number to one side for a moment, and then focus on the fraction?

    1 7/68 = what in decimal form?
    the 1 = 1.0 (set that aside for a moment)
    7/68 = 7 ÷ 68 = 0.102... or, when rounded to the nearest hundredth, 0.10
    Add in our whole number: 1.0 + 0.10 = 1.1

    Same answer, but feels so much easier to me! However, if I continue doing it this way, is that going to cause me problems in more advanced topics of math? I don't want to start any bad habits if I can help it. Thanks
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    • leafers ultimate style avatar for user Nathan McDougall
      No, not really. Once you get to more advanced maths, improper fractions are the norm, as, in fact, they are treated the same as division. This makes sense. 1 + 7/68 is much less concise than 75/68. Moreover, in algebra, you must convert to improper fractions to simplify expressions:
      x = 1 + 7/68
      68x = 68 + 7
      68x = 75
      x = 75/68
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  • leaf orange style avatar for user Freddy  Mayer
    what do you do to take away from a certain amount of say ....money lets say 37% off of $49.63
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    • piceratops ultimate style avatar for user Wall of Words
      You could solve it two ways:
      (1-.37) * 49.63
      This way, you are find the percentage that you are paying for because you are subtracting out the percentage that is "off."
      OR
      49.63 - (49.63 * .37)
      Here, you are finding the amount of money (in $) that is off, and then you are subtracting it from the original cost.
      Both ways will give you the answer. It's really preference on how you solve it.
      Sylvia.
      (13 votes)
  • orange juice squid orange style avatar for user no_1_u_need_2_know
    Is your screen looking laggy? because mine is, and sal's writing kind of blurs out occasionally on my computer. is anybody else's computer/phone/tablet/kindle/i pad/whatever like this?
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  • female robot grace style avatar for user Kate Kim
    the writing blurs a bit. anyone else experiencing this?
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  • starky ultimate style avatar for user geumsaba
    I'm kind of confused, I turned them all into percentages instead of decimals, and got a different order. The Original numbers are : 35.7%, 108.1%, 5, 13/93 and 1 7/68. Turning them all to percentages : 35.7%, 108.1%, 500%, 13.9 or 14% and 110.3%. Ergo, if I put them in order, it would be 13.9 or 14%, 35.7%, 108.1%, 110.3% and 500%. (or in the original form : 13/93, 35.7%, 108.1%, 1 7/68 and 5) Where did I go wrong, anyone, please?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user sarahbrake777
    how can we decrease or increase of percent?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Dave Dubuc
    Maybe I'm just slow but I simply cannot understand how 35.7 is equal to .357! The first number indicates that I have 35.7% of 100. The next number indicates (to me) that I now have .357ths thousands of 1. They are two very different quantities. But yet they are equivalent? To me 35.7% would have come in 2nd largest, behind 108.1%. Instead it came in at 2nd smallest. No wonder I am horrible at math.
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    • leaf green style avatar for user chin.amte
      You have asked a nice question. In real scenarios many times ratios are more reliable than absolute values. Here's an example.
      In your class, in a year, student has to give 10 exam papers of 100 marks each.
      You gave 1 exam paper and scored 35.7 marks.
      Your friend gave 10 exam papers and scored 357 marks in total.
      So he will say I am better than you because (357 > 35.7) BUT
      you shall say "dude, you have attempted 1000 marks out of which you scored 357 marks and I have attempted 100 marks only and scored 35.7 marks. So we are equal as of now."
      Hope I answer your question.
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Helen
    this is confusing i thought there was an easier one because why bother turning it into improper fraction when you can turn it into decimals easily with the number you have i mean isn't it quicker?
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  • cacteye green style avatar for user tatum
    Be more specific please!
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  • starky ultimate style avatar for user TheEnderBlaze
    why was Sal's drawing not as good as the other videos he made?
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Video transcript

Welcome to the presentation on ordering numbers. Let's get started with some problems that I think, as you go through the examples hopefully, you'll understand how to do these problems. So let's see. The first set of numbers that we have to order is 35.7%, 108.1% 0.5, 13/93, and 1 and 7/68. So let's do this problem. The important thing to remember whenever you're doing this type of ordering of numbers is to realize that these are all just different ways to represent-- these are all a percent or a decimal or a fraction or a mixed-- are all just different ways of representing numbers. It's very hard to compare when you just look at it like this, so what I like to do is I like to convert them all to decimals. But there could be someone who likes to convert them all to percentages or convert them all to fractions and then compare. But I always find decimals to be the easiest way to compare. So let's start with this 35.7%. Let's turn this into a decimal. Well, the easiest thing to remember is if you have a percent you just get rid of the percent sign and put it over 100. So 35.7% is the same thing as 35.7/100. Like 5%, that's the same thing as 5/100 or 50% is just the same thing as 50/100. So 35.7/100, well, that just equals 0.357. If this got you a little confused another way to think about percentage points is if I write 35.7%, all you have to do is get rid of the percent sign and move the decimal to the left two spaces and it becomes 0.357. Let me give you a couple of more examples down here. Let's say I had 5%. That is the same thing as 5/100. Or if you do the decimal technique, 5%, you could just move the decimal and you get rid of the percent. And you move the decimal over 1 and 2, and you put a 0 here. It's 0.05. And that's the same thing as 0.05. You also know that 0.05 and 5/100 are the same thing. So let's get back to the problem. I hope that distraction didn't distract you too much. Let me scratch out all this. So 35.7% is equal to 0.357. Similarly, 108.1%. Let's to the technique where we just get rid of the percent and move the decimal space over 1, 2 spaces to the left. So then that equals 1.081. See we already know that this is smaller than this. Well the next one is easy, it's already in decimal form. 0.5 is just going to be equal to 0.5. Now 13/93. To convert a fraction into a decimal we just take the denominator and divide it into the numerator. So let's do that. 93 goes into 13? Well, we know it goes into 13 zero times. So let's add a decimal point here. So how many times does 93 go into 130? Well, it goes into it one time. 1 times 93 is 93. Becomes a 10. That becomes a 2. Then we're going to borrow, so get 37. Bring down a 0. So 93 goes into 370? Let's see. 4 times 93 would be 372, so it actually goes into it only three times. 3 times 3 is 9. 3 times 9 is 27. So this equals? Let's see, this equals-- if we say that this 0 becomes a 10. This become a 16. This becomes a 2. 81. And then we say, how many times does 93 go into 810? It goes roughly 8 times. And we could actually keep going, but for the sake of comparing these numbers, we've already gotten to a pretty good level of accuracy. So let's just stop this problem here because the decimal numbers could keep going on, but for the sake of comparison I think we've already got a good sense of what this decimal looks like. It's 0.138 and then it'll just keep going. So let's write that down. And then finally, we have this mixed number here. And let me erase some of my work because I don't want to confuse you. Actually, let me keep it the way it is right now. The easiest way to convert a mixed number into a decimal is to just say, OK, this is 1 and then some fraction that's less than 1. Or we could convert it to a fraction, an improper fraction like-- oh, actually there are no improper fractions here. Actually, let's do it that way. Let's convert to an improper fraction and then convert that into a decimal. Actually, I think I'm going to need more space, so let me clean up this a little bit. There. We have a little more space to work with now. So 1 and 7/68. So to go from a mixed number to an improper fraction, what you do is you take the 68 times 1 and add it to the numerator here. And why does this make sense? Because this is the same thing as 1 plus 7/68. 1 and 7/68 is the same thing as 1 plus 7/68. And that's the same thing as you know from the fractions module, as 68/68 plus 7/68. And that's the same thing as 68 plus 7-- 75/68. So 1 and 7/68 is equal to 75/68. And now we convert this to a decimal using the technique we did for 13/93. So we say-- let me get some space. We say 68 goes into 75-- suspicion I'm going to run out of space. 68 goes into 75 one time. 1 times 68 is 68. 75 minus 68 is 7. Bring down the 0. Actually, you don't have to write the decimal there. Ignore that decimal. 68 goes into 70 one time. 1 times 68 is 68. 70 minus 68 is 2, bring down another 0. 68 goes into 20 zero times. And the problem's going to keep going on, but I think we've already once again, gotten to enough accuracy that we can compare. So 1 and 7/68 we've now figured out is equal to 1.10-- and if we kept dividing we'll keep getting more decimals of accuracy, but I think we're now ready to compare. So all of these numbers I just rewrote them as decimals. So 35.7% is 0.357. 108.1%-- ignore this for now because we just used that to do the work. It's 108.1% is equal to 1.081. 0.5 is 0.5. 13/93 is 0.138. And 1 and 7/68 is 1.10 and it'll keep going on. So what's the smallest? So the smallest is 0.-- actually, no. The smallest is right here. So I'm going to rank them from smallest to largest. So the smallest is 0.138. Then the next largest is going to be 0.357. Then the next largest is going to be 0.5. Then you're going to have 1.08. And then you're going to have 1 and 7/68. Well, actually, I'm going to do more examples of this, but for this video I think this is the only one I have time for. But hopefully this gives you a sense of doing these problems. I always find it easier to go into the decimal mode to compare. And actually, the hints on the module will be the same for you. But I think you're ready at least now to try the problems. If you're not, if you want to see other examples, you might just want to either re-watch this video and/or I might record some more videos with more examples right now. Anyway, have fun.