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Lesson 5: Haitian RevolutionHaitian Revolution (Part 2)
Dessalines takes on Leclerc and Rochambeau. Created by Sal Khan.
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- Hi does anyone know where there is some more information on the 60M Francs debt that Sal talks about at the end, id like to know more about this, i cant find any on Wiki and i also need somewhere to reference. Thanks.(17 votes)
- "Extension of this destitution to the country as a whole was guaranteed by the isolation of its ruined economy in the decades following independence. Restoration France only re-established the trade and diplomatic relations essential to the new country’s survival after Haiti agreed, in 1825, to pay its old colonial master a ‘compensation’ of some 150 million francs for the loss of its slaves—an amount roughly equal to the French annual budget at the time, or around ten years’ worth of total revenue in Haiti—and to grant punishing commercial discounts. With its economy still shattered by the colonial wars, Haiti could only begin paying this debt by borrowing, at extortionate rates of interest, 24 million francs from private French banks. Though the French demand was eventually cut from 150 to 90 million francs, by the end of the nineteenth century Haiti’s payments to France consumed around 80 per cent of the national budget; France received the last instalment in 1947. Haitians have thus had to pay their original oppressors three times over—through the slaves’ initial labour, through compensation for the French loss of this labour, and then in interest on the payment of this compensation. No other single factor played so important a role in establishing Haiti as a systematically indebted country, the condition which in turn ‘justified’ a long and debilitating series of appropriations-by-gunboat."
http://newleftreview.org/II/27/peter-hallward-option-zero-in-haiti(9 votes)
- At12:20Sal mentions the Louisana Territory purchase for $60M, which is equivalent to $10B today. Just curious how much all of that land is actually worth today in terms of combined property value?(12 votes)
- Seeing how the average price for an acre of land is about 3k, and there was about 530,000,000 acres of land, it would be between 1 and 2 trillion dollars, not including increased prices for improvements to the land such as houses, wells, farmland, etc.(12 votes)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_debt_of_Haiti#Initiatives_to_cancel_Haiti's_debt
Wikipedia says that the debt was initially $150m Francs, and was reduced to $60m Francs in 1838, then paid off completely in 1883. Is it wrong? Where are you getting 1947?
Are there initiatives to force France to return the inflation-adjusted amount to Haiti for reparations? This would be the moral thing for France to do this day in age, regardless of current events (earthquake).(6 votes)- Perhaps 1883 was when they paid off the original reparations but 1947 was when they paid off the reparations plus the interest. This took longer because the dictators running Haiti looted the country's wealth rather than pay the interest. I agree with you that it is the moral thing to do however I don't think France will repay the reparations.
Source: http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/01/13/cancel_haitis_debt(2 votes)
- If the British had such a dominate, and powerful navy, why didn't they just take Haiti themselves, as I recall in the video, only 8,000 French troops were in Haiti. Since Napoleon couldn't send troops there because of his own battles in Europe, the French wouldn't be able to fend of Britain along with the fact that rebels are trying to defeat you.(4 votes)
- British had other interests of the world during the 18th century and 19th century. And look the British was also fighting the French navy and they didn't want the island of Haiti because they already had interests in India and Africa which was more vital to trade since India was between the Silk Road and Africa was a merchant route for trade which the British thought they could earn more profits by establishing monopolies such as the British East Indies Company.(5 votes)
- Where did the name Louisiana come from?(3 votes)
- It was a french colony for a long time, and they named it after their king Louis.(6 votes)
- I still don't understand why Haiti needed to be recognized by france. It probably could have kept on supporting itself, or try to institute trade with some other country beside France. I think they could strike a deal with Great briton or something. Can anyone give me a good answer?(2 votes)
- According to what I learned in High School, no powerful countries at that time wanted to help, because it would have just triggered other colonies to take example from haiti; they therefore isolated it. Haiti also seeked help from the U.S., but the just kind of ingnored the request.(3 votes)
- Does anyone know if there has been any movement to remove the statue of Rochambeau (at11:00) in Lafayette Park in Washington DC? This seems crazy to me to have such a statue. Today, it would be similar to having a statue of Idi Amin. Here's a link to the info on the statue: http://www.nps.gov/whho/historyculture/rochambeau.htm(4 votes)
- Why did Haitian have to pay so much money was it just because the Frech wanted revenge or some other reason?(2 votes)
- The French had been making huge profits from Haitian slaves working sugar and coffee plantations in Haiti, so the French wanted the Haitians to pay back the "value" of the goods and slaves they were losing out on.(4 votes)
- I don't get why Haiti paid debt to France for independence recognition? Why do they need to pay money for France just to recognize their independence?(3 votes)
- Was Haiti the first African- American run nation?(1 vote)
- One further note: the term African-American is used for blacks in the United States, not neighboring countries. This, despite the fact that those neighboring countries are too a part of the "Americas".(5 votes)
Video transcript
Where we left off in the last
video, Toussaint L'Ouverture had just been betrayed, on some
level, first by some of his right-hand men, because
they joined the side of Leclerc-- or essentially they
gave up rebelling against Leclerc-- convinced that Leclerc
wasn't that bad, that he had no intention of
reinstating slavery or taking away the civil rights of the
freemen of African descent. This is another picture of
Leclerc, right here. This is Leclerc. So he had to essentially give
up his arms. He went to negotiate with Leclerc, Leclerc
imprisoned him, put him on a boat, and sent him to
France and he died the next year in 1803. So he was betrayed. And he really was, on a lot
of levels, one of the most important leaders not
just in Haitian history, but in general. When he took power, as I said
before, he didn't take revenge on the white population. He helped the economy of Haiti
get back up and running. He actually helped defend
what is now Haiti, but Saint-Domingue against the
British Royal Navy. I forgot to mention that. Defended against the British
Navy, which at the time was by far the dominant navy
in the world. So this is what really earned
his reputation as a great general, on top of being a great
leader in terms of not exacting revenge, in terms of
not having slash and burn tactics, in terms of not just
ravaging his enemies. So he was betrayed, and then
just to make it clear that Leclerc really does deserve
devil horns of a sort-- although we're about to meet
someone who deserves much bigger devil horns, or maybe
that he was actually the henchman for someone who
deserves devil horns-- in May of 1802, Napoleon signs a law
that reinstates slavery where it has not disappeared. And so it was a little
bit ambiguous. There were some areas where
slavery had still not disappeared. Those include the French
colonies at Martinique, at Saint Lucia, at Tobago. But in Haiti-- or
Saint-Domingue, at that time-- things were a little
ambiguous. Had slavery truly disappeared,
or had it not disappeared yet? Apparently, slaves were
free in Haiti. So it wasn't clear exactly what
this meant for Haiti, but at the same time, the
Haitians didn't even know this was happening. This was May of 1802. But just to make things clear,
Napoleon actually sent Leclerc a secret memo to essentially
reinstate slavery when the time was right. So these guys, they
were no jokers. They knew the situation. They knew that they needed the
help of some of Toussaint L'Ouverture's former generals,
former right-hand men, in order to keep control
of Haiti. But the intention the entire
time was, when they have the upper hand, to actually clamp
down, reinstate slavery, and take away the civil rights
of the freemen of color. Now these guys weren't
stupid either. So you might remember
Dessalines. This was one picture of him. He was also a former slave, one
of Toussaint L'Ouverture's right-hand men, very
effective general. And, as you remember, near the
end of the fight against Leclerc, he gave up the fight
against Leclerc and to some degree you could say he turned
on Toussaint L'Ouverture. But he and some of the other
former followers of L'Ouverture saw the writing
on the wall. They didn't even have to
intercept that secret memo. They got word from Martinique
and Tobago and Saint Lucia that slavery was being
reinstated. The French at this time were not
people that you wanted to deal with or trust when it came
to issues of slavery. So Dessalines and his comrades
re-took up arms. And Dessalines was a very different
character than Toussaint L'Ouverture. The one similarity is that they
were both very effective military men. The big difference between the
two was that Dessalines was not one to hold back. He wasn't afraid to essentially
take an eye for an eye, so to speak. So here you had Dessalines in
charge of what was, I guess you could call, the
slave rebel army. And then on the other side of
it, you have Leclerc with the 40,000 troops that he showed
up, with Napoleon. But lucky for Dessalines,
yellow fever-- and it's not lucky. I mean, people died
across the board. But this did really turn the
tide of war in favor of the people of African descent
on the island. Yellow fever struck the island,
it killed Leclerc, and it also took out twenty
something thousand-- or the number I read was 24,000-- of
the actual French soldiers, and another 8,000 were
hospitalized. So that's 32,000 out of
commission, so you're essentially only left
with 8,000 soldiers. So all of a sudden, it
completely turned the tide, completely changed the numbers
in terms of what types of forces the rebel army had
to fight against. But it wasn't all good at this
point because Leclerc-- I mentioned, I gave him little
devil horns-- he was replaced by someone who deserves very
big devil horns named Rochambeau. Not to be confused with his
father, who goes by the same name who was a hero of the
American Revolution. He fought for France on the
side of the Americans. And he, as far as I can tell,
seemed like a decent guy. But his son was really evil. And there are very few people
in history that you can say are unambiguously evil. He is one of them. Now that he was kind of
desperate, his forces were ravaged by yellow fever, he's
going against a fairly aggressive enemy, he did things
like-- let me write these down because
they are evil. He would bury African--
or I guess I should say African Americans. He would bury former slaves, or
people of African descent-- bury in, bury alive in
pits of insects. He would boil people
alive in molasses. I read one account that says
that at one point he held a ball where he invited all of
the prominent mixed-race people to a party essentially at
his place and at the stroke of midnight he announced
that all of the men are to be murdered. The only bounds on his cruelty
was the people that he could get his hands on, especially the
people of African descent. The one positive of his cruelty
is that he for the first time really unified the
population of African descent on the island. So he unified both the slaves,
the former slaves, and the mixed-race. And at the same time,
we're now in 1803. And, I've said it before, we're still at war with Britain. And Britain is-- and I've
mentioned it before-- they had the most dominant navy
in the world. This guy, despite how evil and
how cruel he was, he needed reinforcements from Napoleon
if he had to take on Dessalines. And let me be very
clear about this. Dessalines, as I mentioned, he
was not hesitant to take an eye for an eye. In one incident, Rochambeau
buried 500 rebel prisoners alive, then Dessalines went and
hung 500 French prisoners. So he wasn't someone
to kind of shy away from, I guess, blood. And this is very different
to Toussaint L'Ouverture. It's kind of a lesson. If you are fighting an enemy,
if you get rid of the more reasonable leaders of your
enemy, you might end up getting maybe a leader more
similar to yourself and your cruelty, if you betrayed the
more reasonable ones. But anyway, enough
of my commentary. So the stage is set. War with Britain. Britain owns the seas,
especially the Caribbean. This guy needs reinforcements
going against a very strong leader of the former
slave rebels. But Napoleon, he's known to
be one to cut his losses. He did it with his
troops in Egypt. He's really not someone who
really cares, I think, about the individual. He cares much more about
his ego and his power. So Napoleon leaves
them hanging. Napoleon saw the writing
on the wall. He wouldn't be able to get
through the British fleet. And at the same time, Napoleon's
fighting all of these wars in Europe. As you remember, the whole
French Revolution was precipitated by France
being broke. So Napoleon, not only does he
give up on this guy-- and he essentially got what he
deserved-- Napoleon gives up on maintaining all of their
colonies or any major presence in the Western Hemisphere. So essentially to raise funds,
Napoleon also sells Louisiana to the Americans. Now when I say Louisiana, I'm
not talking about just the state of Louisiana in its
present state, which is about that big. That's actually where
I was born. We're talking about the whole--
this is like 1/3 of the United States today. Sold all of this. And he was clearly desperate. He sold it for $15 million,
or that's the equivalent of F60 million. And I've been told, in today's
money, that would be on the order of $10 billion. You know, if someone said for
$10 billion, you could own 1/3 of the land of the United
States, you would say that's a pretty good deal. $10 billion in today's money. So $15 million 1803, $10 billion
today, that's still not a lot of money, but
he was desperate. He realized that he couldn't
maintain control of something halfway around the world when
Britain owned the seas and he was busy having his own
troubles in Europe. So the Americans got
a good deal. And frankly, if he didn't sell
it to the Americans, either the British or the Americans
could have probably just taken it anyway. So being left to hang to dry
by Napoleon, Dessalines is able to destroy Rochambeau
and essentially declare independence for
Saint-Domingue. And it 1804, January 1. Dessalines declares independence
for, and he names the new country Haiti, which
is the indigenous peoples' name for the island. It means land of
the mountains. Now I want to just leave with
one note, because you may or may not be aware. Haiti is still a very, very,
very, very poor country. And besides, after Dessalines,
they had many, many, many-- and eventually, I'll do videos
on it-- rounds of one dictator after another. And the people have really
been through a lot. But I just want to make it clear
that they really got started off on a
horrible foot. Because even though Dessalines
declared independence in 1804, the French did not recognize
Haiti until 1805-- sorry- 1825. And you might say, well, who
cares about recognition? Who cares what the former
colonial masters think? But until they recognized them,
they were essentially embargoing Haiti. They weren't allowing
any trade to actually go on with Haiti. So it was really on the
front of a barrel gun. And in order to be recognized,
Haiti had to agree to F90 million of debt to France. And just to be clear how much
money this is, here's a small island-- or half of an island--
of newly freed slaves and they were forced to owe
France-- and this actually was further reinforced
by the United States and Great Britain. So it goes to show you, even
former enemies can kind of agree when it comes to
a oppressing small impoverished islands. But they had to owe France the
equivalent of 1 and 1/2 times what the United States paid for
the Louisiana Purchase. This was F60 million. They got all of Louisiana. Now France is telling Haiti,
you owe us F90 million. Or that's roughly the equivalent
of $14 or $15 billion in today's terms. And
this is for a population of essentially half a million
freed slaves. So it's kind of a horrendous
amount of debt. And just to be clear, this
wasn't like the crazy colonials in the early 19th
century, forcing to do this. This debt was not paid off with
the interest until 1947. They were continuing
to pay the debt. And just to add insult to
injury, the reason for the debt, they claim, was
for lost property. So that's why France claimed
that Haiti owed them the money, for lost property. Where, included in the
list of lost property was land and slaves. Essentially, now that you've got
your freedom, you owe us a ton of money for us losing
the rights to own you. So it's just insult to injury. And actually, I was shocked the
first time I learned this number, that they were forced to
continue to pay debts from one poor country, one small poor
country, right over here, they had to continue to pay
debts to a Western developed nation until 1947, essentially
to buy their freedom.