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Multiple rates word problem

Sometimes you'll need to solve for multiple parts of the equation before getting at the answer. Here we solve for average speed, but first we have to determine total distance and total time. Created by Sal Khan.

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  • piceratops tree style avatar for user Jared Sager
    Not sure if this is a coincidence or not but I found that you can also find the time at which it took Umaima to get back from the store by dividing the 24mph by the 8mph which will give you 3, and then dividing the 45 minutes by the 3 which gives you 15, or 1/4 hour. Is that just a coincidence or is that actually a valid way of solving these problems?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Syl Fay
    it takes 10 men 10 hours to build a wall. how long will it take 5 men to build the same wall?
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  • purple pi purple style avatar for user Michael
    Sorry but this totally confusing! I believe it should be written out as a conversion factor and then explained. You did use some conversion, but please, show the work.
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Michael Lama
    I have always struggled with word problems. I just cant figure out what to do, where to start, (Do I need to divide or Multiply) and what should be the numerator and denominator if its a fraction. To start off. I always thought the Ave formula was to divide the sum by the quantity of numbers used to get the sum. So, off the hop to get the formula (Total distance divided by total time) I didn't know. After I saw the formula in the video I was able to solve the first part of the question on my own and was correct with (6 miles distance one way & 3/4 hr up hill) However, I struggled with what to do next. How to solve for "time" down hill. I understand it after I watch the video but I just cant seem to figure it out on my own. Can someone explain if there is a structured way of thinking that should be followed or trigger words to look for so you know if to divide or multiply? and how to know what should be the numerator or denominator?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user jakeyeozh
    What do you do if its a rate problem but the d=sxt does not work? Ex-It takes 2 workers 4 mins to paint 5 walls. How long does it take 6 workers to paint 4 walls?
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    • duskpin sapling style avatar for user Aaron Ash
      The equation for this type of problem would be: Workers x Time x Rate = Jobs Completed.
      So for your problem:
      2 x 4 x Rate = 5
      8 x Rate = 5
      5/8 = Rate
      Now input rate into the second half.
      6 x Time x 5/8 = 4
      Rearranging the equation:
      6 x 5/8 x Time = 4
      30/8 x Time = 4
      Simplify the fraction:
      15/4 x Time = 4
      Now multiply both sides by the reciprocal to get your answer:
      Time = 4 x 4/15
      Time = 16/15 units (probably hours)
      I hope this helps!
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  • aqualine ultimate style avatar for user Yellow Top White Knot
    How does Sal know which units to multiply or divide?

    For example to work out distance you multiply times by speed.

    Another example, time coming back from gift store is miles to the gift store divided by mph. I get confused because I might try to divide mph by time, instead of mph by time.

    How does he know which units to use and which order to divide/multiply them?
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    • leafers ultimate style avatar for user SJTheOne
      There are two ways to know which units to use:

      You could go the rote method, systematically memorizing all of the formulas, or you could figure out why these formulas work. In our case, time is distance over speed. It makes sense, because if you are in a car driving 60 mph, and there is a waterpark in 120 miles, it will take you two hours to get to the water park. The second method can be harder to understand, but it will stay with you for longer. Try to understand why every formula works, and you will be on your way to becoming a math whiz!

      Hope this helps!
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  • aqualine ultimate style avatar for user Henry Alferink
    This seems kind of unintuitive to me. Is there maybe a way to solve these types of problems more systematically? Like, is there a way to put this into an equation form?

    Actually, I can work out the problem that comes up in this video, but it's the ones in the practice questions that confuse me; the ones that say, "if there were 7 painters that could paint 4 walls in 30minutes, how long would it take 5 painters to paint 13 walls".
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    • piceratops ultimate style avatar for user Gilberto Hernandez
      Anytime you get a problem like this try to break it down so that you figure out how long it takes 1 person to do 1 thing first. If 4 walls get painted in 30 minutes then it takes 30/4 minutes to paint 1 wall or 7.5 minutes. It takes 7 painters 7.5 minutes to paint 1 wall how long will it take 1 painter? (7 x 7.5 = 52.5 minutes.) You have just done the hard part. How many walls do you have to paint? You need to paint 13. (13 x 52.5 = 682.5 minutes per painter.) You have 5 painters so divide 682.5 divided by 5 to get 136.5 minutes. The key is to get a 1 to 1 ratio like 1 painter to one wall and then multiply or divide to find the rest. These problems gave me fits too so don't feel bad. Good Luck!
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  • hopper jumping style avatar for user fallflowers
    Between & you added the fractions to get a whole number, but what if the fractions doesn't make whole
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  • spunky sam blue style avatar for user Jyotika
    I still don't completely understand why we can't just average the times given in the problem. Sal just brushed over it.
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  • starky tree style avatar for user Sergey Astakhov
    Why can't we just average 24 and 8? Sal said it's because she's travelling for different amounts of time. But I don't understand why it is relevant.
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    • piceratops ultimate style avatar for user Hecretary Bird
      The faster you go, the less time it'll take you to travel the same distance. So we do have unequal times here. You are going at 8 mph for far longer than you are for 24 mph, so taking an average, which assumes that all the items have the same weight (you do them for the same time) wouldn't get you the actual average speed. When you take an average, you divide the sum of the speeds divided by the number of speeds. Because you're dividing by the number of different speeds, you treat each speed as the same, even if it was there for only half the time as another speed. To fix this, you would need to take a weighted average instead or follow Sal's process in the video. Does this help?
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Video transcript

Starting at home, Umaima traveled uphill to the gift store for 45 minutes at just 8 miles per hour. She then traveled back home along the same path downhill at a speed of 24 miles per hour. What is her average speed for the entire trip from home to the gift store and back? So we're trying to figure out her average speed for the entire trip. That's going to be equal to the total distance that she traveled over the total time. Well, what's the total distance going to be? Well, the total distance is going to be the distance to the gift store and then the distance back from the gift store, which are the same distances. So it's really you could say two times the distance to the gift store. And then what is going to be her total time? Well, it's time to gift store plus the time coming back from the gift store. Now, we know that the distance to the gift store and the distance back from the gift store is the same. So that's why I just said that the total distance is just going to be two times the distance to the gift store. We don't know-- in fact we know we're going to have different times in terms of times to the gift store and times coming back. How do I know that? Well, she went at different speeds. So it's going to take her-- actually, she went there much slower than she came back. So it would take her longer to get there than it took her to get back. So let's see which of these we can actually-- we already know. So how do we figure out the distance to the gift store? At not point here do they say, hey, the gift store is this far away. But they do tell us, this first sentence right over here, "Umaima traveled uphill to the gift store for 45 minutes at just 8 miles per hour." So we're given a time. And we are given a speed. We should be able to figure out a distance. So let's just do a little bit of aside here. We should be able to figure out the distance to the-- actually let me write it this way. The distance to the store will be equal to-- now we've got to make sure we have our units right. Here they gave it in minutes. Here they have 8 miles per hour. So let's convert this into hours. So 45 minutes in hours, so it's 45 minutes out of 60 minutes per hour. So that's going to give us 45/60. Divide both by 15. That's the same thing as 3/4. So it's going to be 3/4 hours is the time times an average speed of 8 miles per hour. So what is the distance to the store? Well, 3/4 times 8. Or you could view it as 3/4 times 8 times 1, is going to be-- well, it's going to be 24 over 4. Let me just write that. That's going to be 24 over 4 which is equal to-- did I get it? Yeah. 24 over 4, which is equal to 6. And units-wise, we're just left with miles. So the distance to the store is 6 miles. 2 times the distance to the gift store, well, this whole thing is going to be 12 miles. 12 miles is the total distance she traveled. Now, what is the time to the gift store? Well, they already told that to us. They already told us that it's 45 minutes. Now, I want to put everything in hours. I'm assuming that they want our average speed in hours. So I'm going to put everything in hours. So the time to the gift store was 3/4 of an hour. And what's the time coming back from the gift store? Well, we know her speed. We know her speed coming back. We already know the distance from the gift store. It's the same as the distance to the gift store. So we can take this distance, we can take 6 miles, that's the distance to the gift store, 6 miles divided by her speed coming back, which is 24 miles per hour, so divided by 24 miles per hour. It gives us-- well, let's see. We're going to have 6 over 24 is the same thing as 1/4. It's going to be 1/4. And then miles divided by miles per hour is the same thing as miles times hours per mile. The miles cancel out. And you'll have 1/4 of an hour. So it takes her 1/4 of an hour to get back. And that fits our intuition. Actually, let me write that in the same green color since I'm writing all the times in green color. So 1/4 of an hour. So she went there. Going to the gift store was slow. It took her 3/4 of an hour. Coming back only took her 1/4 of an hour. So now we're ready to calculate her average speed for the entire trip. Average speed for the entire trip is going to be equal to the total distance, which is 12 miles, divided by her total time. 3/4 hours plus 1/4 hour is exactly 1 hour. So her average speed is 12 over 1, which is just 12 miles per hour. Her average speed is just 12 miles per hour. And you might have been tempted to say hey, wait. Why don't I just average 24 and 8. But that wouldn't have been right, because she's traveling those for different amounts of time. So what you really have to do is just think in terms of go back to your basics-- total distance, total time. Figure out the total distance. This first sentence right over here gives us half of the total distance, the time to the store. We just doubled that to get the time back. And then our total time we can figure out. They tell us the time to the store. And then we can figure out the distance from the store and using that and the speed to figure out her time back. And then we get total distance divided by total time-- 12 miles per hour.