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Fragonard, The Meeting

Jean-Honoré Fragonard, The Progress of Love: The Meeting, 1771-1773, oil on canvas, 317.5 x 243.8 cm (The Frick Collection, New York). Created by Beth Harris and Steven Zucker.

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  • leaf grey style avatar for user Michœl
    What is the Rococo?
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  • leafers seed style avatar for user Shiara
    The faces look unrealistic to me, too smooth I guess. I think they remind me of eggs. Is that the style of the art? Or the fashion of the day?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Derek Elliott Bagley
    At the female art historian describes how the placement of the lovers within the space draws the viewers' eyes up towards the statue of Venus and Cupid. She says that this creates a pyramidal shape.At , she further describes a v-shaped parting in the trees. This, essentially creates the effect of two pyramids mirroring each other and drawing focus directly to cupid. What intent do you think the artist had in this construction? Does it have any significance?
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  • old spice man green style avatar for user Alexis Wolfe
    In the video the paintings are in a small room is that the original room?
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    • leafers ultimate style avatar for user Karen Hendrickson
      I don't think this is the original room. As indicated in the video, Madame du Barry refused them and they were returned to Fragonard after hanging only briefly in her "hide-away." As mentioned in the video, the room is in the Frick Museum, a wonderful museum in New York City. The paintings were bought in 1915 from the collection of J. P. Morgan and Mr. Frick died in 1919. He willed his mansion and its contents as a public museum. It opened in 1935.
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  • leafers tree style avatar for user Ami K
    What is a pleasure palace?
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    • aqualine tree style avatar for user David Alexander
      a building on the grounds of a larger estate which was designated as a place where people would partake of pleasures. An estate of that sort might also have a building called a stable, which was devoted to things having to do with horses, and a building called a kitchen, which was devoted to things having to do with the preparation of food. It may also have had a chapel, a space devoted to things having to do with religious observance. The particular orientations of the owner of the estate might be discerned by determining to which of these facilities the most time and attention was paid.
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  • female robot ada style avatar for user Haylee Caldwell
    what is surreptitious.?
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  • female robot ada style avatar for user Z. A. de Bruyn
    Fragonard's art style is so sumptuous and beautiful. The things Rococo stand for don't necessarily sit well with me (though I prefer Rococo to Baroque), but Fragonard's The Progress of Love (and The Swing) are some of my favourite pieces, bar none. He has a particular way of drawing in the viewer, and his colour choices make it easy for the eye to linger. To think these panels were rejected?

    If that moment at shows what replaced The Progress of Love, then I would judge the decision to reject the Fragonard pieces to be a very bad one. The sumptuous, gorgeous images Fragonard created were qualitative and masterful in a way I don't think the piece really was (though I understand the styles are different).
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    What is the etymology of "Rococo"? What does it mean?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Ognjen Tadic
    Even though I despise aristocracy, I adore the way the artists depicted the scenes where people indulge in various activities. I am always in a dilemma because I enjoy the lightheartedness of the thematics and the way nature was depicted, and I understand why many philosophers criticized this "movement," but I stand for all of the things that rococo loves representing. I do not think it should be a "bad" way of living, but only if it does not involve you thriving on the hard work of others like the aristocracy did. In an unusual way, I can see a parallel between them and the "primitive" tribes of the time.
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  • blobby green style avatar for user slowrydr
    Since she was the King's known consort and the two in the painting seem to be having a secret tryst. Could she have rejected the paintings because they seemed to show her possibly stepping outside her relationship with the king?
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Video transcript

(lively music) Dr. Zucker: [unintelligible] take paintings out of context and it's sometimes hard to remember that works of art were meant for domestic environments. Dr. Harris: Or churches or even in the case of the paintings that we're looking at now, Pleasure Pavilions. Dr. Zucker: We're in the Fragonard room at the Frick Collection and we're looking at one of the late Rococo masterpieces. Dr. Harris: Fragonard's the Progress of Love. Dr. Zucker: The first canvas shows the inception of love. We see this young boy offering a rose to this rather surprised young girl. Dr. Harris: And in the next panel, we see them having a kind of surreptitious meeting. Dr. Zucker: Followed by an allegory of the consummation of love, the crowning. This would refer to the marriage. Dr. Harris: And then in the last scene, the two lovers nostalgically looking at their early love letters together. And these four panels were made for Madame du Barry, the mistress of King Louis XV. Dr. Zucker: The consort of the king himself. Let's look at one of the panels. Let's look at the meeting. That's my favorite. When we walk up to the meeting, the second panel of the series, you realize how large it is. It's a really substantial painting and it would have been in a relatively small room. Dr. Zucker: Right next to a window. Dr. Zucker: That's important because the window would have looked out onto the back of the pavilion onto the garden. Dr. Harris: Overflowing (chuckles) Dr. Zucker: Overflowing, yeah, representation of nature, would've had a nice parallel to the landscape outside. Dr. Harris: It's such a dramatic image. One really gets a sense of a secret meeting. Dr. Zucker: One art historian suggested that the pose of the young woman is coming directly out of 18th century theater at this moment. Dr. Harris: So, we see her suitor climbing up the ladder. Dr. Zucker: So, this is a little bit of a Romeo and Juliet. Dr. Harris: It is and they don't wanna get caught. Dr. Zucker: Her left hand seems to be saying, "Slow down. Wait a moment. "Let me see if the coast is clear." Dr. Harris: (laughs) Yeah. Dr. Zucker: There is this wonderful sense of anticipation. Dr. Harris: Their bodies leaned toward one another and formed a pyramid that leads our eye up to the figure of Cupid and Venus. Dr. Zucker: So as if the painting wasn't clear enough. They are just gonna make sure that we know what this is about. Venus, of course, the Goddess of Love. Cupid, her son. She's withholding his quiver of arrows. I suspect, she's caught him being naughty. He's let those arrows loose on the couple below and he's now being punished. Dr. Harris: Her pose mirrors the trees behind her that leaned up in toward the right side of the canvas. So, there's a V-shaped parting where we see the sky between Venus and Cupid. We referred a moment ago that the foliage mirroring the garden outside and that's the thing that I love so much about Fragonard. The sense that nature can't be controlled. It overflows everywhere. Dr. Zucker: This is a painting where subtlety is in short supply. Nature taking over, being uncontrolled, seems to be a perfect metaphor for young love. As to what happened, Madame du Barry would actually reject these panels and what a mistake. These are Fragonard's great masterpiece. Dr. Harris: Naturally, art historians have a couple of theories why she rejected them. One has to do with the fact that the architecture of the pavilion was decidedly classical by an Architect named Ledoux and that these Rococo paintings wouldn't have fit within the classically inspired architecture and the classically inspired sculpture. So, Madame du Barry hires instead an artist who painted in a more classical style named Vien. Dr. Zucker: But to look at the Fragonard's, is to have a window into the aristocracy. These are paintings that are about indulgence. Satisfying oneself. After all, these were for a pleasure palace. These are not paintings that are about moral goods, the noblement of society or of the individual. Dr. Harris: It was precisely paintings about indulgence and pleasure that the philosophers of the enlightment attacked and associated with the corruption of the aristocracy and the monarchy. Dr. Zucker: These paintings about love and pleaure, were meant to be situated in the Pleasure Pavilion Dr. Harris: (laughs) Dr. Zucker: What could be a better exemplar of everything that was wrong with France? Dr. Harris: And everything that the revolution would fight against and everything that the new style of Neoclassicism would reject. Dr. Zucker: So interesting that Madame du Barry, herself rejects these paintings. Another possible reason that these panels were rejected, has to do with the protagonists and the way, they're depicted. Some art historians have suggested that the young woman, perhaps looked a little bit too much like Madame du Barry and that the young male lover, may have looked a little bit too much like Louis XV. Dr. Harris: Now, when Madame du Barry rejected these paintings and sent them back to Fragonard, he was never paid. He later added 10 other panels and all of them fortunately, can be seen here together at the Frick Collection. It's interesting to think about Fragonard coming at this later moment of the Rococo and the imminence of the revolution. David will protect Fragonard during the revolution and find him a post within the Arts Administration. And so, Fragonard's career spans this interesting moment of the late Rococo and Neoclassicism in the revolution. (lively music)