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Lesson 3: Heart depolarization- Membrane potentials - part 1
- Membrane potentials - part 2
- Permeability and membrane potentials
- Action potentials in pacemaker cells
- Action potentials in cardiac myocytes
- Resetting cardiac concentration gradients
- Electrical system of the heart
- Depolarization waves flowing through the heart
- A race to keep pace!
- Thinking about heartbeats
- New perspective on the heart
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Thinking about heartbeats
Find out what happens when things move very slowly through the AV Node! Rishi is a pediatric infectious disease physician and works at Khan Academy. Created by Rishi Desai.
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- Are escaped beats the same as ectopic beats?(4 votes)
- no, ectopic just means out of place, and that means that there is another group of cells in the myocardium doing its own thing(creating action potentials) outside the usual heart conduction system, whether escaped beats come as you saw from a delay of the heart conducting system.(6 votes)
- My doctor has commented occasionally that he can hear a "slight murmur" when listening with his stesthascope. What is a "murmur"', or "slight murmur"?
OBEARCC(2 votes)- The most common heart murmurs have minimal clinical significance and are caused by physiologic states that result in higher-than-normal blood flow through the heart, like after periods of exercise, being pregnant, growing quickly (like during adolescence), or having anemia (low blood count) or fever. Other causes have to do with the heart itself and are more likely to be (but are not always) clinically significant, like having a hole in the heart (a septal defect, like muhammad pointed out) or a problem with one of the valves.
Many doctors classify the intensity of a murmur with a 6-point system done in Roman numerals (i.e. I-VI), with I being barely audible with a stethoscope, II easily audible, III loud, IV loud and with a little vibration (called a "thrill"), V loud enough to hear with just part of the stethoscope end touching the chest, and VI loud enough to hear with the entire stethoscope OFF the chest. In my practice, I would tell a patient with a grade I or II murmur that it was "slight" (although it might mean something different with YOUR doctor). Slight murmurs usually don't have too much clinical significance, but they ARE important to note because if a doctor hears them change in character, it can help to make important diagnoses.(8 votes)
- @you explain that the relationship between conduction velocity and the action potential is the slope of phase 0, and that the steeper that slope, the faster the conduction. But, in the previous video you showed that the slope of phase 0 was the same for all three conduction sites. Did you mean the slope of phase 4, as that is where they differ in Na+ permeability? 2:50(3 votes)
- I was also confused about this - in relation to previous videos where you said that the signal travels much faster in pacemaker cells than in myocytes, but then why isnt the slope in phase 0 steeper in the pacemaker cells than in the myocytes ?(3 votes)
- How is the 0.1 second delay in the AV node accomplished? Are there proportionately fewer gap junctions and so fewer avenues for ions to permeate into those nodal cells? Are there more ion pumps so that there are greater gradients and so it takes longer to hit the typical thresholds? Are the thresholds somehow raised? What the heck?(2 votes)
- I think it's because of the number of cells in the node. There are more cells woven thru eachother, so there are more cells that needs to be activated before the signal is given thru to te Bundle of His. It's a question of numbers.(1 vote)
- At the end, Rishi Desai mentioned 'Escape Beats'. What causes them, and what effect do they have on the heart?(1 vote)
- Most heart cells have an automatic depolarization. This is caused by ions "leaking" through channels during the diastolic phase (resting phase). Think of these diastolic "leaks" as little clocks. When the diastolic potential gets to a specific threshold, it causes and action potential which can proprogate throughout the heart. In a normal heart, the SA node has the quickest spontneous depolarization and induces the normal heart beat. If the SA node is not functioning, or the AV node is blocked; then the next quickest spontenous depolarization typically comes from the HIS/Purkinje system - these patients have what is called a junctional rhythm. If the His/Purkinje system is not functioning, then patients may have a ventricular escape - a spontaneous depolarization from the ventricle that maintains the heart beat, though this would typically be very slow.(2 votes)
- Is the AV rhythm only manifest in relation to, i.e., following, the start of the abnormal delay?(1 vote)
- didnt understand this topic.(1 vote)
- Is this first degree heart block.(1 vote)
- Why does the speed of the signal increase from the SA node to the BoH. Are more calcium ions being added by the AV node?(1 vote)
- If I got it right the AV node doesn't "know" that the SA node is firing so there are two simultaneous rhythms.
So in the first 4 seconds the rhythm isn't regulated by the SA nor the AV node. But are there 10 or 8 beats? The ones at 2 s and 4 s are simultaneous or not?(1 vote)
Video transcript
So I know we talked about
different pacemakers in the body, but
I thought it'd be fun to revisit that and show
you an interesting example. So let's start out by laying out
the table we'd set up before. We talked about the heart
rate in beats per minute, and we talked about
the heartbeat itself-- the length of the
heartbeat, and we'd measured the heartbeat
in terms of seconds. And you remember, there's
a nice little relationship between the two of these,
because if the heartbeat actually gets
shorter, then you can have more heart
beats in a minute. And so of course, then
the heart rate goes up. So that's a relationship
that explains how it is that our heart
rate goes up and down. And we talked about the
SA node, the AV node, and the bundle of His. And we said starting
with the SA node, the heart rate was
somewhere between 60 and 90. And I think I'd chosen
90, just because that was a nice, easy
number to do math with. And we had said that the heart
beat is about 0.66 seconds. So that's the length
of a heartbeat there. And then we have the AV node. I'm just going to
quickly go through this. I know this is recap for you
if you've seen the other video. If you haven't,
then these numbers come from basically
dividing beats per minute down into seconds. And so then each beat then would
be one second for the AV node. And finally, we did
the bundle of His. And I think I've started trying
to take a shortcut in writing bundle of His into just BoH. And that looks
something like this. And those underlying
numbers are the numbers I'm using to calculate
the heartbeat lengths. So that's basically what
we had come up with. And we had also talked about
the idea of having delays. You actually need
time for the pulse to be in transit basically. And so, I'm actually going
to add a third column to our little table here. And there really
is no delay here, because the SA node is
where things are starting. So let me actually just
keep my colors the same. And then the AV node, we know
that there's a small delay, because things do
move pretty quick. So we said that here, it'd be
something like 0.04 seconds. So you can see that it's
actually pretty quick getting from the SA
node to the AV node. But then it gets even
faster as you get down to the bundle of His. It actually takes only
about 0.005 seconds. So it gets really, really fast. And remember that
this transit speed, this is really related
to conduction velocity. So how fast is the
signal getting conducted? So we call this
conduction velocity. And the relationship
between conduction velocity and the action potential
is the slope of phase 0. Remember, the more steep phase
0 is, the faster something is going to go from
cell to cell to cell. And actually, that
brings up a good point, because in the AV node,
there's a huge delay built in, because the conduction
is so darn slow. And so you have to
actually remember that there's this
0.1 second delay. And generally speaking,
I think of 0.1 seconds as almost nothing, but when you
compare it to 0.005 seconds, because that's the
transit time-- that's how long it takes the
signal to get down, we said from the AV node
down to our particular bundle of His cell-- then
all of a sudden, this delay is looking enormous. By comparison, this looks
like a really big, big number. And let me just write
transit here as well. So this is time for movement. And then the delay
is simply getting through the AV node itself. So this is all just rehashing
what we've talked about before. And finally, just to get
at least a drawing down, because I like to draw,
we have our SA node here. And we have our AV node here. And we have our bundle
of His over here. And let me draw it half the
distance, somewhere like this. And remember, this is
the direction of flow. We're basically trying
to move this way. And again, this way. So let me actually jump
into something slightly new. So let's assume
for a second-- this is a thought experiment--
that instead of 0.04 seconds, I'm just going to focus
on these two right now. Instead of 0.04
seconds, let's say that it took 100 times as long. For some reason, let's say that
transit time for some reason, we don't know why, let's say
it takes 100 times longer. So this ends up being
4 seconds, right? 0.04 times 100 is 4 seconds. So let's say it takes about
4 seconds, for some reason, to get a signal from the
SA node to the AV node. Well, what would
that mean for us? What would that
look like exactly? And I think you'll start
seeing some interesting lessons from this little
thought experiment. So, if that was the
case, if it was actually taking about 4 seconds to get
from one point to another, let's now draw out a timeline. This is a little time
line, and this timeline starts at 0 seconds. And then you have, let's
say, 1 second here, 2 seconds, 3-- I'm just going
to see how far this goes-- 4, 5, and let's go to 6. So, this is 6. Seconds And we're going to follow
what happens over 6 seconds. So let's imagine now we keep
track of our SA node up here. And we're going to keep track
of our AV node down here. So at time 0, let's imagine
that everything is beginning. And we watch our SA node, let's
start with that one first. Well, at 2/3 of a
second-- because that's about how long it
takes, we calculated-- we would get our first
action potential, or a heart beat would
go through, right? First beat. And that would then try to make
its way towards the AV node. So this one is going to try
to make its way towards the AV node. But we know it takes 4
seconds to get there. Now, what happens after that? Well, you'd have
another beat let off. The first one hasn't actually
made it to the AV node, but the second one is
already done by that point. And you'd have a third beat
that goes through by that point. And so really, we're counting
these action potentials that are going
through the SA node. And they just keep
going through. They're just going to
keep flowing through here. And they're going
to all just continue and basically, just what
are we going to get? A total of probably 9, right? We're going to get
9 signals sent off. Now, take each of
them is going to take 4 seconds to get to the AV node. So when will this first
one get to the AV node? This very first one
will get to the AV node somewhere around here, because
that's 4 and 2/3 of a second. So at 4 and 2/3 of
a second, this one-- let me somehow show you
without making this too messy-- will make it to the
AV node right here. Of course at that
time, the SA node itself is letting out its
seventh action potential, but that very first one will
get there at that point. Now the AV node, is it
going to sit around and wait for 4 and 2/3 of a second to
just go by and not do anything? No way, right? There's no way, because
what it's going to do is it's going to say well, let's
wait for a signal from the SA node. And at this point,
it's going to say well, nothing arrived
from the SA node, so I'm going to let
off my own signal. And it's going to
keep doing this. So it's going to go
on its own rhythm now. So 2, 3, so all this time, the
AV node is on its own rhythm. And then finally,
before AV node is able to fire off its own fifth
action potential by itself, a signal arrives from the
SA node, this red arrow that I drew in. And so it'll say, oh wait. We just got some
positive ion passed through the electrical
conduction system. So let's go with it. So it'll have a signal there. And then now, it'll
have another one here, because what happens
at that point? Well, you have
this guy arrives . He took 4 seconds, and
he arrives right there. And then this guy is going
to arrive after that. He's going to
arrives right there. So you see they start arriving. And so, once they
start arriving, then you get back onto what
looks like a normal rhythm. And so, it's
interesting because you basically, as a result
of this long delay, have a phenomenon where
for awhile, the AV node is doing its own thing over here. And then after that,
the SA node catches up. And then it continues on what
would look like a normal sinus rhythm. And so, sometimes
you'll hear the term escape beats or escape rhythm. And so that's what these
are, these are escape beats, meaning they have
escaped the normal flow of electrical conduction,
which starts with the SA node. So, hope that was helpful.