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E1 mechanism: carbocations and rearrangements

Comparing the stability of different kinds of carbocations using hyperconjugation. Mechanism of carbocation rearrangements including methyl and hydride shifts.  Created by Jay.

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  • leafers seedling style avatar for user Mya
    So... if a Hydride shift and a Methyl shift can both occur... which one is more likely to occur? The Hydride shift?
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  • leaf grey style avatar for user Christopher M.
    Can someone explain why carbocation intermediates can only be invoked in mechanisms operating under acidic conditions? Is it because carbocations immediately react with strong bases?
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  • leaf red style avatar for user Sarah S
    Around he says that it is sp2 hydridized, yet he's drawn 3 H's around the C. If the C is sp2 hydridized that means it is double-bonded to another C, and should therefore only have 2 H's around it. Right?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Keeko99
    At I see that a hydride shift could also have taken place. According to me the carbocation formed after the hydride shift would more stable since it would be in hyperconjugation with 6 hydrogens as opposed to 5 in the structure formed due to methyl shift.

    But now that I think about it this would violate Saytzeff's rule as the final product formed after hydride shift would be less substituted. In such a situation what would be the mechanism and which one needs to be given preference, the stability of the carbocation or Saytzeff's rule?
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    • leaf red style avatar for user Richard
      If a hydride shift were to occur, the most likely place would be from the carbon on the left of the original carbocation. This would produce a 1° carbocation which is less stable than the original 2° carbocation and so would not happen.

      The carbon directly to the right of the original carbocation carbon has no hydrogens since it has four bonds (the maximum for carbon) to other carbons.

      The preceeding two possibilities are 1,2 hydride shifts since they happen between adjacent carbons on the chain. It is however possible for a 1,3 hydride shift to occur where a hydride from a carbon two spots away on the chain from the original carbocation rearranges to form a more stable carbocation. Using the two bottom methyl group's hydrogens would only produce more 1° carbocations so they wouldn't work. The far right carbon has a hydrogen which would work and produce a 3° carbocation which is an improvement. However a 1,3 shift compared to the 1,2 methyl shift used the in video is less likely. So the 1,2 methyl shift used in the video is the easiest shift which also produces the most stable carbocation comapred to the original.

      Hope that helps.
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  • blobby green style avatar for user tlathdus1214
    Could a carbocation rearrange twice to become more stable?
    For example, if I had 2,2-dimethylpentane with a carbocation on carbon 4, would it first rearrange with a hydride shift to carbon 3, and then a methyl shift to carbon 2 to create a tertiary carbocation?
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    • spunky sam blue style avatar for user Ernest Zinck
      A carbocation can rearrange more than once, but not in this case. You are starting with a 2° carbocation. A hydride shift would simply give a different 2° carbocation. Since this is no more stable than the first, the molecule has no incentive to undergo the hydride shift, and the methyl shift will not have a chance to occur.
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  • blobby green style avatar for user jroseluttrell
    When you discuss the hydride and methyl shifts, are methyl and hydrogen the only two compounds that can shift around in E1 elimination reactions or will there be other compounds that can also undergo the shift? Is this shift specific for only E1 reactions or can it happen in E2 or Sn1/2 reactions as well?
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  • leafers sapling style avatar for user fearme4eva14
    at , would that tetra molecule be cis or trans?
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  • winston default style avatar for user Kurt3007
    Around minutes, why can't the weak base take away one hydrogen of the methyl group on the left side? (the methyl group on the left that's bonded to the pink carbon)

    Also, by performing methyl shift from 2º to 3º, does it automatically change the position of the alpha carbon to the new carbon that forms a tertiary carbocation?
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    • leaf red style avatar for user Richard
      Those two methyl group hydrogens are equivalent so we can have the base attack either and we'll get the same result.

      So being an alpha, beta, gamma, etc. carbon means you're a certain amount of carbons from a functional group or specific part of the molecule. If we consider the carbocation to be the functional group we care about then any carbon directly attached to it is an alpha carbon. And the carbons two spots away would be beta carbons. When we change from the 2° to the 3° carbocation the location of the functional group changes and we get new alpha and beta carbon designations.

      Hope that helps.
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  • mr pink red style avatar for user D.C.Methane
    What is the mechanism for the hydride/methyl shift? Or does it just happen?
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  • spunky sam blue style avatar for user JaDeriv
    If you have a molecule undergoing, suppose, an Sn1 mechanism, and suppose there are multiple places along the molecule where carbocation rearrangement (hydride shift) can occur (each of these places forms a tertiary carbocation). Does the rearrangement just proceed all the way to the end, and then the new structure forms, or are structures from all rearrangements possible, because each is a tertiary carbocation?
    Thank you!
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Video transcript

- [Instructor] Let's say that our goal is to show a mechanism for this E1 reaction. So we're going from the alkyl halide on the left to the alkene on the right. But the first step is loss of our leaving groups. The electrons in this bond come off onto the chlorine to form the chloride anion, and we know that the chloride anion is a good leaving group. We're talking a bond away from the carbon that I just marked in red, so that's where our carbocation will form. So let's draw out our carbon skeleton, and we'll put in these methyl groups right here. And the carbon in red is this carbon here, so that would be a secondary carbocation. So there's a plus one formal charge, and it's secondary because the carbon in red is directly bonded to two other carbons. So we have a secondary carbocation. And if you look at it, there's a possibility for a rearrangements. We could take one of the methyl groups on the carbon in magenta on the right, and we could move it over to the positively charged carbon. So we get a methyl shift here. And the reason why we would get a methyl shift is that's gonna create a more stable carbocation. So now there's only one methyl group on this carbon. There's a methyl group over here to begin with, and we just moved a methyl group to the carbon in red. So let me highlight the carbon in red here. We moved a methyl group to that carbon, so let me draw that in. So that means we took a bond away from this carbon, so that's this carbon, and so that's where our positive charge is now. So we'll plus one formal charge on the carbon that I've now labeled in light blue. And this is a tertiary carbocation. So let me highlight those carbons here. The carbon in light blue is directly bonded to three other carbons, so this carbon right here, this one, and this one. So this is a tertiary carbocation, which we know is much more stable than a secondary carbocation. Our carbocation is further stabilized by the fact that we have a polar product solvent here. So this is a very stable carbocation. At this point, you could have two possible reaction paths. You have water, which could function as a nucleophile. And if that happen, you would get a substitution product. But now, we know we need an elimination product. We have an alkene on the right here. So water is gonna function as a base, and water is going to take a proton from one of the carbons next door to our carbocation, so one of the carbons in magenta. And if you you look at our product here, the double bond formed between this carbon and this carbon, so that means we need to take a proton from the carbon in magenta on the top right. So let me highlight that carbon here. So we need to take a proton from this carbon. So let me draw in one, because we know there's one hydrogen bonded to that carbon, and water is gonna function as our weak base here. So let me draw in H2O. And water is gonna take that proton, so lone pair of electrons on the oxygen take this proton right here, and then these electrons would move in to form our double bond, and that gives us our product. So let me highlight those electrons. So the electrons are formed are double bond, like the dark blue right here. So those electrons move in here to form our alkene. And we've shown, we've shown a mechanism for this reaction. Let's look at another E1 reaction, and let's say our goal was to draw all of the products from this elimination reaction. On the left we have our alcohol, and we're reacting our alcohol with sulfuric acid, and we're heating our reaction mixture. We've already seen from earlier videos, the first step when you have an alcohol, say proton transfer, the alcohol functions as a base, and sulfuric acid donates a proton. So I'll draw an H plus here. We're gonna protonate our alcohol first. So one of the lone pairs of electrons on oxygen picks up this proton, which came from sulfuric acid. So let's draw in what we would have. So here's our carbon chain. We would have two methyl groups on that carbon. And the oxygen now has two bonds, two hydrogen. It still has one lone pair of electrons, but now the oxygen has a plus one formal charge. So our electrons in magenta pick up our proton from sulfuric acid to form this bond. Now, the reason why this step happens first when you have an alcohol is it forms a better leaving group for your E1 mechanism. Water is a much better leaving group than the hydroxide anion. So next, the electrons in this bond come off onto the oxygen, and water leaves. So when we do that, we take a bond away from this carbon, the carbon in red. So that's where our carbocation forms. If I draw in my carbon skeleton here, so I have methyl groups coming off of this carbon. The carbon in red is this carbon, and that's a secondary carbocation, because the carbon in red is directly bonded to two other carbons, which I just marked there in magenta. So this is a secondary carbocation. And let me draw in the plus one formal charge on the carbon in red. Next, we think about the possibility of a rearrangement. So can we do anything to form a more stable carbocation? Well, just like the previous example, we could have a methyl shift. Let me go ahead and leave some more room in there. So we could take, let's say this methyl group, and we could move this methyl group over to the carbon in red. So let's show a methyl shift. So now there's only one methyl group on this carbon, and a methyl group moved over here to this carbon. So this is the carbon in red. So the carbon in red no longer has a plus one formal charge. The plus one formal charge goes to the carbon in magenta that just lost a bond. So now, our plus one formal charge is on this carbon. Let me highlight it. So this carbon right here in magenta. And that is a tertiary carbocation. And we know tertiary carbocations are more stable than secondary carbocations. Next, since this is an E1 mechanism, we know that a weak base comes a long and takes a proton. So in this case, we could take a proton from a few different places. We could take a proton from this carbon. So we think about our weak base coming along. Let me draw this in here, and our base is gonna take this proton, which means that these electrons are moving here to get rid of our formal charge, and to form an alkene as our product. So let's draw in the product up here, our double bond would form here. And let's draw in everything else. So that is one of the possible products. Let's highlight our electrons. I'll use light blue. So the electrons in this bond moved in to form our alkene. All right, what about if I took a proton from a different place? So let me just redraw that carbocation here, just so things don't get too busy. So I'm gonna redraw our carbocation. So the carbon in magenta is this one, so that has a plus one formal charge. Let me draw that in. And the carbon in red is this carbon. So what happens if we took a proton from the carbon in red? Let me draw in a proton here. So our weak base comes along and takes this proton, let's say. And so, these electrons would move in to here to form our double bond, to form another alkene. So let's draw that product. So we have our carbon skeleton here. And this time, the double bond forms between the carbons in magenta and red. So the double bond would form in here. So let's highlight those electrons in light blue. These electrons would move into here to form our double bonds. All right, there's actually one more product for this reaction, and let's go back to our secondary carbocation over here. So, if it doesn't rearrange, you could actually take a proton from this secondary carbocation and form our last product. Let's think about the carbon in red right here. So we're looking at the carbons next door, so the carbon in red. Well, the carbon in magenta to the left doesn't have any proton, so we can't take a proton from that one, but the carbon to the right in magenta does. So if I squeeze in a hydrogen in here, finally, our base could come along and take this proton. And if that happen, then these electrons would move into here, so that gives us our final product. Just let me draw in our skeleton here, and then our double bond will form right... Actually, let me just redraw that double bond, so thing we're getting... We just redraw the whole thing. I think I have a little bit more space that I thought I did. So let's sketch in our carbon skeleton here, our double bonded form here, and then we have our methyl groups coming off of that carbon. So the electrons in light blue moved into form our double bond. So we'd formed three products, three products from this E1 reaction. If we think about which one would be the major product, let's look at degrees of substitution. So let's go over to the alkene on the right. So when we think about the two carbons across our double bonds, there are one, two, three, four alkyl groups. So this is a tetrasubstituted alkene, so this should be the major product. This is the most stable alkene. Next, let's look at this one. So here's a carbon, and here's a carbon across our double bond. We can see this time we have only two alkyl groups. So this is a disubstituted alkene. And then finally, over here on the left, this would be a monosubstituted alkene. So here are two carbons. We have one alkyl group, so a monosubstituted alkene. And this one came from the secondary carbocation from no rearrangement, so this one is not gonna be a major product. Only a very small percentage of your products would be this monosubstituted alkene. Most of your products is gonna be your di and your tetrasubstituted alkene, So with your tetrasubstituted alkene being your major product since it is the most stable.