Michael Landy and Jean Tinguely: Art that breaks down

I'm Lauren Cilla's I'm curator at tate liverpool and i'm working with the artist Michael Landy at moment and together we're curating the exhibition joyous machines which is a celebration of Michael's work and his relationship to his own time this reminds me of when I was making scruffy services ice collect all this junk from mcdon I so I made McDonald's late at night and and get all the rappers and cuz I leave it in my um cough CL overnight and a whole like ecosystem with fermented over nine it really did stink Michael Landy's perhaps best known for his work breakdown made in 2001 which was the end of a three-year process where he catalogued each and every one of his worldly possessions and then destroyed them all reduced everything he owned to the dust in full view of the public do you do makes you feel bad doesn't it feel guilty cuz you start thinking about all the things I've thrown out that I she could have had another life I'm so mean forever people to get my things so I've run the throw them away I also you know what I don't like marks what I don't mean what wanting to I mean I just mark sign things parts as winds of Karl Marx Groucho Michael and I have come to this recycling facility in Kennedy's town to look through the junk to rummage through what people have thrown away just those John tangley did about fifty years ago before he was going to make almost to New York its massive self destroying sculpture really it's like big always big toys John tangley was a Swiss sculptor and was one of the most radical subversive sculptors of the mid-twentieth century made an incredible array of machines that did weird and wonderful things from smashing full beer bottles in a gallery to creating endless series of abstract drawings and his martes that really was a great influence on Michael Andy and Michael went to see an exhibition of his that the Tate Gallery now take written in 1982 and was blown away by what he saw I mean when I first entered that take going 82 and I'd you know only he's just he's sculptures just kind of you know they were just you know kind of dancing her pogoing they were jumping up and down they weren't working they were I mean it's just it was just it's just it's so full of life really and that's what I mean and a student at that point i guess the kind of concerns were about kind of broaching the gap between art and the public and you know no just I mean and everybody was smiling in there and winning you know using the machines and making drawings and making paintings and throwing balls and machines and people were just really enjoying it right in a in a fairground in a way and I don't I don't see that at anything but anything wrong with that but it was it but it was said to take on her own I thought that that was really incredible so I think yeah I think I had a massive massive kind of impression on me as a student I've started destroy things about and only I destroyed in my mom's Beatles collection when I was a child start there but no so but there is that there is a great pleasure in taking things apart and seeing how things are made because I'll see you become more aware how things no you know the shiny surfaces and way things look just but once you start to literally take things apart you know you can say see how well it's been made or how badly it's been made and suddenly you understand you understand things a lot more in a way and you know and all they've been in I so I could is feather size things as well I was going to ask you about homage to New York and your recreation of it and tingly obviously worked with Billy cleaver there was an electrical engineer he was incredibly methodical and scientific about everything yeah wanted to make the whole construction unfold as a sequential narrative of course it all went totally wrong and all the bitch didn't function correctly and this machine that was invented and created to destroy itself mail to destroy itself yeah I caught fire and had to be extinguished and born to control by the fire debate if you need to recreate it would you want it we do you want to polish it off as tanker yeah i like to yourself well the thing was so obviously didn't destroy itself and so you know lot people stood around in the freezing cold of the March seventeenth 960 freezing and they wait for something to happen nothing really did happen until the new fire brigade put you know put it out of its misery and pulled it all down to four made it into ruins and people took bits away with them so I mean I'd still like to make I like to make it one day I'm I don't know Wayne I hopefully hopefully it will I mean it's a kind of as long as I still exist that I'd still like to make it I was gonna go fast ok