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[Music] I seconds ken skill now I'm not familiar with that person at all against ice a Gascon don't know that one is it a woman or a man I'm not familiar with his artists are you I've never heard of it aha they don't have to know a damn thing about use against can they don't have no agenda it doesn't have anything to do with her nationality it doesn't have anything to do with anything except with what you see [Music] it's not at all a secret it's not at all hidden as it eclair wanna see another boo dog winston beethoven st in deutschland Clemont a button he is him and here you were feeling attainder from our white I told Emma xia their younger bleakness I always have this question by collectors logic where the young artists you look at and I always come back to either which by age is of course not a young artist but she's an artist who surprised me most the Antonio techniques would ever and Lauren Scala Z worked from fear and fear in Queensland we created in fired few artists have more relevant than her miracle work always seems incredibly ahead of its time dats HD HD is a siesta market or philosophy and art is not a fear not see in Mumma the paranoia of Notre Dame is not optional from academic shine when your phone is a thousand she get out or yellow kenntnis subarashii take to world as me here from digits key I'm the fungus order barnett newman Mondrian or other descriptors or hairpin are thus Vanitas something evil DVD she has this intuitive quality to out trick an absurd social situation which yields was people it deals was economy it deals with his history and so she's not detached from what's going on this is a person who is not happy with society as they see it and continually attempts to criticize that society she was up to no good she is ultra ambitious but not for herself it's just towards what she is doing my favorite film it's a visit with her grandparents in the Bavarian woods you can tell what it means to grow up in post Nazi Germany and be confronted with memories and insist on knowing what your parents did it's very tragic she is certainly very radical not protecting herself nor anybody else she is like a tsunami she's part of a generation of German artists who refused to become dogmatic and didactic and that is the political act in the work what Giza really doesn't like this uptightness this squareness there's no where the mind is not allowed to go potentially it's a break with high seriousness this is a whole generation of artists like Mike Kelly and Jim Shaw whose work tries to break with high seriousness edkins conceptual art so in a runway she's doing that and I think her work is not only deeply humorous it also touches a selling a terrifying in the late 1970s I took the opportunity to propose a small exhibition of ease against against work recently gen skin has done a series of red blue and yellow three-dimensional ellipsoid sculptures the artists use a computer to produce an accurate outline of the desired ellipse because the curve of such an attenuated form was too subtle to be obtained by simple visual or mathematical means because the lips is so extended the form seemed wondrous and strange despite their basic clarity and regularity Thomas was pasilla Forester and gave us a kind of computers a house as a disposable item Institute possession in las when her Hopsin unhandsome athens also our botanist exclaiming Avenged degrees f it is inside this form was continually changing it followed the path of conventional dusseldorf art at the time and then began no longer to be able to be supported by that it made no more sense to her she informed minimalist mail ID with something completely different going her own way not giving a shit she manages to bypass all current discussions and ask questions which are very existential we did not really recognize it as from the same person she made very surprising changes in her approach the book looks as well as ruins as well as maquettes we were doing the armory and the only person who really seemed to understand the work was his kind of funny-looking hippy when he left like a colleague asked me to HC know who we were talking to ana said no no idea in the closet oh that was Bryce Marlin ding l scoop turns into a management role foreign markets for Sonic lent me ow the Zeppelin built on a button I became the human irvine child then zip on Sean does this courtesy for straightness a sleazy causes result is concrete sculptures express unconscious fear which most people understand without knowing it but there it is the series of Capri works but kind of standard for appliances like these radios try to understand the logic of these sculptures from images as a kind of student I spent quite a lot of time on that when asked a few members of would validate and finger yeah I guess entire an elysian students and other decent design final exam and dad say it's an under there's some really profound decision-making process taking place which embodies both the kind of incredible disappointment with the limit of things and at the same time an assertion of a freedom to do what the hell I want when you're a young artist I remember this distinctly you would have stuff and you'd also have an idea of some kind of art to make she decided to crash these two things into each other this is completely logical thing to do you need to crash things into each other to somehow find out what they're made of when you look at these epoxy works you couldn't quite place it into a specific set of practices but on the other hand it definitely was trying to address some concerns in a sort of enduring abstraction you could call it like an endurance of form she expresses her own feelings about certain situations very much in the pictures of the mind the certain structure how to think about certain situations fences by young o sistema de esta cosa also to make easy italic the high dimension of medicines and Fenster was it I'm Guinea a little thinner everybody has a right for at least one window or for toilet offer food or clean water or things like that this is human rights she's anthropologically really on the target she lifts miss Sedgwick she's doing at the moment and there are certain seams and then that same is gone she uses a language for a certain serious and then she invents a new one [Music] I have been in either studio several times and sometimes even not finding her at first glance but all this like an adventure always seeing something really surprising whenever you go to her studio you don't know what you will see one part of my job is to fix the sculptures and make them stable so they can be shipped out of the studio I first glued these glass buildings and all of a sudden she came around and said well and also there is a little polyester goat that that size and she said could you fix these cowboy boots on on the goat it was a funny moment but there are many funny moments there but amazing for me that she has all those kind of different rooms but she lives with the work and where she kind of creates the work for different needs with all this miniature details and she wears things which look on everybody else completely stupid but on her it looks just what could her perfect she was always dressed in a beautiful way I kind of lover with colors funny enough she never goes to a fitting room when she's in the shop she picks the pants looks at them says i buy it and they fit she's my favorite dresser I'm often amazed at the strength that either has to put together these entire exhibitions almost single-handedly one of the reasons why she doesn't have an assistant is because assistants are usually artists themselves and they tend to mention their opinions after while and interfere maybe Helena mr. Simeon i deserted far langer outside does Ben diamond in EM at leave out and insulation Zeenat does she does Anglican Oscar not the stun gzip resolv I Rebecca gong so the D moment most is easy installation vunnava in almost fina tooele I'm handsome aha there is a rigger behind her practice that makes all this freedom of expression possible there's no lifeguard at her side she is she's really very audacious he is a year kanekalon to smoosh francia raisa cosmetic own facilities on site Kellner's into the engi gonna beat the civilized a slice of air own cup Samia Angus in on jet mill 035 on the exact version lost us to follow the hook include there from Casper versioning is he an inky the at least FM Atlantic pushes the augment Molly my okay kudos kudos my hands on the car English peas with alpha so this is also us [Music] user has an incredible sense for the volume for the amount of work that space can take in two thousand the Casper crewneck gave us this giant exhibition space I think it's 20 by 20 meters both awesome together visited this empty huge space and they started sort of dancing together the work was initially all about reflecting on the outside reflecting my photographs on the wall in a central merit sculpture and then from her change I then realized there would be an optical effect happening if I placed a giant picture at the end of what now had become two parallel walls of mirrors and you walk in and you see yourself mirrored in this empty big image so it was a kind of Versailles image for non aristocrats and Gonzales arts from either via my name is home bakers when I give her home in to either come on Van Meegeren for slack on that I'm actually those of our mother is not even near yuba demons United al-assad's Shirin by of her threatened in visa monstrosity it on a zip zop Idaho's of American to economic also hoses getting at our wonders d lunch after home climate as oh that's cool isn't fair it was the defendant does not really alpha minus two hours in the evita steamer yeah [Music] I wanted to ask is a what's your message to the American public what do you think she would have said I would I think she would say I Love New York and I think this comes from the bottom of her heart there is so much in correspondence with New York as a city in Essos case in New York is like heaven on earth I think her love affair with America in New York in particular comes from a sense of freedom of thought that she she feels there [Music] she was telling us how she had just done this eye-opening tour of the outskirts of Berlin where she had seen all the old East German buildings and rundown bauhaus aesthetic of what it had become then and how horrified she was and she said I want to call my show fuck the Bauhaus new buildings for New York it was taking the piss out of what at one point was really avant-garde and new and then was instrumentalized quite often for propagandistic and wrong reasons I would spend a lot of time walking around the city with her and I have never experienced an artist who can see things of great diversity and put it together in a democratic way to her everything is a sculptural material she would say Christophe look at this building she would name the building she would know the architect she would know when it was built and then go wouldn't it be great if we put this orange stuff around it and I had dinner last night at a fish restaurant and so I have a whole bucket full of oyster shells and we should put that up and I'm going to make a model of that she turns it into an object that has this very liberating power because the materials are familiar and yet it's something you've never seen before it's amazing how intuitively she can handle complex tectonics things like being a chef doing things many things at the same time and then bringing it together it was very Punk it was really tough and it was so singular its vision how she was seeing New York desi TI gde ty was a fella amazon dimension and at Floyd County Sophie meet creativity natsu to Hollanders is eros on the heart the scenes on this note Suzanne films das y alpha zoo I know Finn the human diesel farm to smooth it was awfully allah mi vida noi also game can so now inform offended [Music] she kept telling me about this idea of wanting to make a film Empire vampire this is the late 90s the term Empire at that point had absolutely no meaning without more two years later it was the political term vampire nobody had interest in that now everything's vampire from bands to films everything she had that already in her head these two words put together that this one day would be what becomes meaningful I remember very vividly the Empire vampire serious and she started to use all these little toys first it looks frightening and the moment you really entertain it is really extraordinary how human it is you really do I think get to see it through her eyes sometimes when I really look at what I'm looking at I realize I'm looking at some kind of toy dinosaur or something like this with a bit of orange paint on it now this is completely unacceptable at one level but on the other hand it's a deeply serious objects the best reaction I got was actually by by a collector of either I said oh that looks really like student work but he meant it in a very positive way because if somebody as the so-called mid-career artists could kind of totally rethink her idea of sculpture I mean that's the best what you can do as an artist [Music] the steamer his oil at the dust was aggravated with goose meat will find the Hope Town Meeting coffin of alypium stone outlandishly was a nap oh I'm like Hannah sure Andy for show and if it's approved globe negotiating fees I know that when after an anxiety is a fairly him cover and soaking the alternate in a fairly under the door to her well equipped me abundant runs an older than services Madden of Todd say it is so foreign Camden voguish window on things until when hung eating crawfish in her food and so as as Hatter's on a leash to get presents of yours she just so got the experience of one being in Venice but to just being alive right now all those bags man calm in vinita and that us on data is lift then alpha T zosh that diesel diesel own bomb how to get all right field for the interest and that's easy gly static your touchdown on that that's askin all da spicy mi vida left adrift enough hour in an against on gobbling foam it's both extremely giving and full of content and then somehow the work is kind of withholding and saying look whatever I do about this or whatever any other artist does about it you're still going to be stuck with this situation it's like turning the volume up what like turning up the trouble or turning up the base which is a very odd thing to do but in fact for me it's more effective than if you often make very clear by backtick statement about something [Music] sep tember Levin's is something she can deal with she's not afraid she goes all the way the World Trade Center project it's so powerful and really so the view of a world I would love to live in as it's true I'm concrete of war schlock through ground zero I saw this little of Bushido viola steamin actually see a belleek this about jihad kassapa for aveda agreement was power transfer via asleep in math mastemas ova zoo and force largely male stigma well on a disco done for account if you insist on earth not at all so does it dusty but oh no I bit off as giving the disc good spa I was get off on the fee and Sons instrument as oh that's mine imovane montville at this high height heart it's an Immelmann will in the disco de encounter that's Australia Avatar State artists are not supposed to have authority they're supposed to present things that if anybody is foolish enough to use in their life they have to change their entire logic battery these against can seduces in a way that punk tried to seduce I feel funny doing this kind of a talk about a colleague because in fact she requires no justification the story is the shit that's sitting on the floor and the stuff on the wall that's the story for her we work expresses what she intends to express and it's up to everybody to dress grasp it a claw was skipped current managed an hour word from either against confer Lexington is neon proba zine this is me on or off nor under fire does wonders go feel a team in the theater albatros she fucked el tema now see is an for human deserves she talks about elementary sings of of mankind without being literal leaving that space for the audience to make sense of it it's all in there she gets to the essential thing she's the world receiver all that work about years and the receivers that is so what she's doing you know like a filter of everything that's out there and it's just kind of coming into her way of looking at things and then coming out the other side in a really beautiful way you