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Clarifying standard form rules

Clarifying standard form rules.

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  • primosaur ultimate style avatar for user Matthew
    Why do some mathematicians want the real number A in standard form to be greater than zero?
    (20 votes)
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    • hopper cool style avatar for user Iron Programming
      In Math (or science in general), rules are made to help avoid confusion and make things as simple as possible.

      Mostly likely, the people saying that they want a integer (A, B, C), non-negative (A), simplified equation is to make the equation easier to understand and better for our purposes.

      When it comes down to it, in everything different people have different views for why things are simpler and work better. In Math, sometimes Mathematicians thinks one way works best, but in this example (like Sal said), there is actually some debate on what is best, and it is mostly up to you (and your curriculum) as to what you use.

      Hope this helps,
      - Convenient Colleague
      (11 votes)
  • duskpin sapling style avatar for user DabbleOPS
    Why isn't there universal rules that dictate such a standard?
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    • leafers sapling style avatar for user einsteinva
      There aren't universal rules because such would require vast groups of mathematicians to unite and create a standard rule. You could find one type of equation and find that it is done in numerous different ways depending on the country. Besides, most mathemeticians believe their method is most efficient, if only because they have not learned other methods and do not care to learn those methods. The world of Math lacks conformity and unity in many branches.
      (12 votes)
  • old spice man blue style avatar for user R_Y_N_O
    I need help with this problem.

    I have the equation y=2x+8.
    I don't know if I can change it into standard form.
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  • female robot ada style avatar for user Dalia.garcia
    Man, I wish one day " math " will finally grow up and solve its own problems (-_- )
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  • aqualine ultimate style avatar for user epatalano25
    Which variable in standard form represents the slope?
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    • mr pink green style avatar for user David Severin
      Variables do not define slope, coefficients of the variables define slope. So slope intercept form is easy, y=mx+b, so the coefficient of x is the slope. In standard form, Ax + By = C, we subtract AX to get By = -Ax + C, divide by B to get y = -A/B x + C/B. So the slope is the negation of the coefficient of x divided by the coefficient of y.
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  • female robot ada style avatar for user Arlene
    As for the standard form rules, I have a test coming up and I don't know to follow these rules or not.
    And I really want to pass my test.
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    • mr pink green style avatar for user David Severin
      It can never be a bad thing to follow standard form rules, but you could possibly loose points if that is the expectation. The biggest mistake students make in shifting to standard form when necessary is the negative signs, so you need to think of the coefficient of a variable as being negative or positive, not just that there is a negative sign. So if you end up with y = 3 - 2x, the coefficient of x is -2, so if you put in slope intercept form, it is y = - 2x + 3 (the wrong way is to say y = 2x - 3 which is a different equation).
      (7 votes)
  • blobby green style avatar for user sahil.main365
    what does c stand for?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Dez
    What if your only are given to points, for example: What is the equation of a line, in general form, that passes through points (-1, 2) and (5, 2)? And is general form the same as standard form?
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  • starky seedling style avatar for user YAHIRM
    I think ima fail the eoc for algebra.
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  • starky ultimate style avatar for user Swara Patil
    Why does standard form even have these rules? Why does it matter if A B and C have a common factor and that they have to be integers? Is it just because or is there a legitimate reason?
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    • hopper cool style avatar for user Iron Programming
      In Math (or science in general), rules are made to help avoid confusion and make things as simple as possible.

      The reason why some say that A, B, and C can't share any common factors is because they want Standard Form to be completely simplified, so that it is as clean as possible.

      I'm sure there are other reasons for why some people want to exclude A being negative; and A, B, and C being integers.

      When it comes down to it, in everything different people have different views for why things are simpler and work better. In Math, sometimes Mathematicians thinks one way works best, but in this example (like Sal said), there is actually some debate on what is best, and it is mostly up to you (and your curriculum) as to what you use.

      Hope this helps,
      - Convenient Colleague
      (4 votes)

Video transcript

- [Instructor] We've talked about the idea of standard form of a linear equation in other videos, and the point of this video is to clarify something and resolve some differences that you might see in different classes in terms of what standard form is. So everyone agrees that standard form is generally a linear equation where you have some number times x plus some number times y is equal to some number. So things that are in standard form would include things like three x plus four y is equal to 10, or two x plus five y is equal to negative 10. Everyone would agree that these are standard form, and everyone would agree that the following are not standard form. So if I were to write three x is equal to negative four y plus 10. Even though these are equivalent equations, this is just not in standard form. Similarly, if I wrote that y is equal to three times x plus seven, this is also not in standard form. Now the place where some people might disagree is if you were to see something like six x plus eight y is equal to 20. Now why would some folks argue that this is not standard form? Well, for some folks, they would say standard form, the coefficients on x and y and our constant term, so our A, B and C, can't share any common factors. Here, six, eight and 20, they're all divisible by two, so some folks would argue that this is not standard form, and to get it into standard form, you would divide all of these by two, and if you did, you would get this equation here. Now that's useful because then you only have one unique equation, but on Khan Academy, we do not restrict in that way, and that is also a very popular way of thinking about it. We just want you to think about it in this form, Ax plus By is equal to C. When you do the exercises on the Khan Academy, it's not going to be checking whether these coefficients, A, B and C are divisible, have a common factor. So for Khan Academy purposes, this is considered standard form, although don't be surprised if you encounter some folks who say, no, we would rather you remove any common factors. Now another example would be something like negative three x minus four y is equal to negative 10. So some folks would argue that this is not standard form because they want to see this first coefficient right over here, the A, being greater than zero, while here it is less than zero. For our purposes on Khan Academy, we do consider this standard form, but I'm just letting you know, because some folks might not because this leading coefficient is not greater than zero. Now another example that some people might be on the edge with would be something like 1.25 x plus 5.50 y is equal to 10.5. The reason why some people might not consider this standard form is that A, B and C are not integers. Some folks would say to be in standard form, A, B and C need to be integers, and you could multiply both sides of the equation by some value that will give you integers for A, B, and C, but for Khan Academy purposes, we do consider this to be in standard form. We think this is important, actually not just being able to have non-integers as A, B or C, but also being able to have a negative A, right over there, because negative three is our A, and also having coefficients, having our As, Bs and Cs having shared factors, we thing all of that's important because sometimes the equation itself has meaning when you write it that way. We'll see that when we do some word problems, when we actually go into some real life and we try to construct equations, and based on the information in the equation, it's easier to understand if you keep it in this form. So for Khan Academy purposes, this is all standard form, but it's good to be aware in your mathematical lives that some folks might want to see the restriction of no common factor between A, B and C, that A is greater than zero, and that A, B and C need to all be integers, but Khan Academy does not hold you to that.