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Course: Geometry (Eureka Math/EngageNY) > Unit 4
Lesson 4: Topic D: Partitioning and extending segments and parameterization of linesDistance between point & line
The distance from a point to a line is the shortest distance between the point and any point on the line. This can be done with a variety of tools like slope-intercept form and the Pythagorean Theorem. Created by Sal Khan.
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How do i find a point on the line that is NOT the Y intercept. I can see the answer if I graph it, but how do I glean the point on the intercepted line with math. The problem I was working was distance between the point (-6,-5) and the line y=-3x+7. I have the y intercept as -3, but how do I get the intercept on the other line?(18 votes)
Use a system of equations, either substitution or elimination to get the other point. You should use the equation of the original line and the equation of the line created with the point.(12 votes)
Isn't there a formula for this? Can someone explain to me the formula of:
|Ax+By+C| / sqrt(A^2+B^2)
I found it online but it is very vague and doesn't help me. Thanks!(12 votes)
This formula is for finding the distance between a point and a line, but, as you said, it's pretty complicated.
In the formula, the line is represented as Ax+By+C=0, instead of y=mx+b. You can learn more about this representation of a line in this video:
https://www.khanacademy.org/math/algebra/linear-equations-and-inequalitie/point-slope-form/v/linear-equations-in-standard-form
When you have a line on the form Ax+By+C=0, and a point (x0,y0), then the distance between the point and the line is-
|Ax0+By0+C| / sqrt(A^2+B^2)
Unfortunately, the formula is a bit hairy, but it's not hard to remember.(6 votes)
Could you make a video of how to find the distance between 2 parallel lines?(9 votes)
Ultimate,
You can just find a point on one line by choosing any x value and finding the y value, and then find the distance between that point and the other line as shown in this video.
I hope that is of help to you.(8 votes)
- Can't you just use the Pythagorean theorem instead?(0 votes)
Sal does mention ( I forgot which video) that the distance formula is just an application of the Pythagorean Theorem. When you are finding the distance between 2 points, you are essentially trying to find the hypotenuse of those points. Hypotenuse =distance. The change in y over the change in x are the other 2 sides of the triangle.
I like to draw a right triangle and label the side of the 90 degree angle with the change in y (rise) (ex: 3) and the base of the triangle I write down the change in x (run) (ex:2)
Then I just use the Pythagorean Theorem. 3^2 +2^2=c^2
9+4=13
Take the square of 13, can't be simplified. So the distance is square root 13. I like it better that way, cause it's easier to visualize when I draw the triangle.(8 votes)
Why does making the equations equal create the x coordinate? I'm kind of lost :/(3 votes)
It's because when you set them equal to one another you can solve for the variable x. In order to find x you need to have just the variable x and a constant (a number without a variable) in each of the equations and set them equal to one another.(2 votes)
Wait then can't you use like a graph to find it? Like the f(x) graph since we are trying to find if x equals something y is what? Or am I confusing the 2 together?(2 votes)- Right. Not only that, in some situations, you may be just given the equation of the line and the coordinate, and you have to find the closest value on the line to the point, then calculate the distance. Besides, there's no way a ruler can possibly measure the precise distances. I mean, how will you know exactly what the distance will be if it's square root of 13 or something?(2 votes)
Why is the slope of the perpendicular line the negative inverse of the slope of the other line?(2 votes)
Here's what I think --- and it will definitely help to draw a graph to illustrate what I say.
1. So draw an original line through the origin that has very little incline (this is just to emphasise what follows). Also sketch its perpendicular, again going through the origin.
2. The slope of the perpendicular line is the opposite sign of the original line because it is going in the opposite direction from the original line (one goes through quadrants 1 and 3, the other through quadrants 2 and 4).
3. The slope of the original line is "change in y" / "change in x". For our purposes, let's denote this as "y original change" / "x original change". Mark it clearly on your graph.
4. The perpendicular line has been formed by rotating the original line by 90 degrees.
Notice that the length of "y perpendicular change" is now the length of "x original change", and similarly, the length of "x perpendicular change" is now the length of "y original change". So the slope of the perpendicular line in now "x original change" / "y original change".
That's why we need to use an inverse for the perpendicular line's slope.
Hope you find this useful!(2 votes)
- I put the points (0,2) and (-2,-6) into the distance formula and I did not get the square root of 40, instead I got the square root of 68?(2 votes)
While it is true that the distance between (0,2) and (-2,-6) is sqrt(68), Sal was finding the distance between (0,2) and (-2,-4) which is sqrt(40).
Have a blessed, wonderful day!(3 votes)
Find the distance between the point (−1,5) and the line y=1/2x−7.
for this equation can someone please tell me how to get the coordinates of when the line intercepts with the other line.
The equation of the perpendicular line is y=−2x+3.
and also how i would find the 4,-5 without looking in on the graph whats the equation? for something like this?
We can see from the graph (or by setting the equations equal to one another) that the two lines intersect at the point (4,−5). Thus, the distance we're looking for is the distance between the two red points.(1 vote)- Robert,
You need to find the point that is on both lines by solve the system of equations.
You can o this using substitution.
y= 1/2x-7
y=-2x+3
Because y = 1/2x-7 you can put (1/2x-7) for the y in the second equation
1/2 x - 7 = -2x+3 Add 2x to both sides.
1/2x + 2x -7 = 3 Add 7 to both sides
1/2x+4/2x = 3+7
5/2x = 10 Multiply both sides by 2/5
x=10*2/5
x=4
Now find y by substituting 4 for x in one of the equations.
y=-2(4)+3
y=-8+5
y= -5
So the point on both lines is (4,-5)
And you can now find the distance between point (-1,5) and (4,-5) using the Pythagorean Theorem .
I hope that helps make it click for you.
Then you need to find(4 votes)
- what did sal mean by a "slope"?(2 votes)
The slope is the rise over run, , or the change in y over the change in x. It really just means how steep the line is. :) You can google it though, there are probably better definitions of slope there.(1 vote)
Video transcript
Find the distance between the
point negative 2, negative 4. This point right here. And the line y is equal
to negative 1/3 x plus 2. That's this line
right over here. Now to do it, we just need
to figure out a perpendicular line to this blue line, to
y is equal to negative 1/3 x plus 2, that contains
this point right over here. So we need to figure out
the equation of this line. And then we need to figure
out where do these two lines intersect,
and then we need to find the distance
between these two points of intersection, and
we have the shortest distance between this point and
this line right over here. So the first step
is to figure out what is the slope of
this perpendicular line. Well, the slope of
a perpendicular line is going to be the
negative inverse of the slope of this blue line. So the negative
inverse of negative 1/3 is going to be positive 3. So this line right over here
is going to have a slope of 3. So it's going to
have the form y is equal to 3x plus b, where
b is its y-intercept. It looks, just
eyeballing it here, that it's going to
be pretty close to 2. But let's verify that. So to figure out what b actually
is, let's substitute this point right over here. We know that not only
is this line slope 3, but this point has to sit on it. So this point has to
satisfy this equation. So when x is negative
2, y is negative 4. Or we have negative 4 is equal
to 3 times negative 2 plus b. Let me write the
negative 2 in there. 3 times negative 2 plus b. And now we can solve for b. We get negative 4 is equal
to negative 6 plus b. Add 6 to both sides, you
get 2 is equal to b or b is equal to 2. So we were right. The y-intercept for the
second line is at 2. So we immediately
can eyeball, or we can verify, where
they both intersect. They both intersect the
y-axis at y equals 2. For both of these, when x is
equal to 0, y is equal to 2. If it wasn't so
obvious, we could set these two equations
equal to each other. We could say look,
we have 3x plus 2. We know that this is now
3x plus 2, because b is 2. When does 3x plus 2 equal
negative 1/3 x plus 2? Well, let's see. If we subtract 2
from both sides, when does 3x equal
negative 1/3 x? Well, there's a couple
of things that we could do right over here. We could add 1/3
x to both sides. And then we will
get 3 and 1/3, which is the same thing as
(10/3)x is equal to 0. And if you multiply
both sides by 3/10, you get x is equal to 0. So these two lines intersect
when x is equal to 0. For both of them, when x is
equal to 0, y is equal to 2. But you could have
eyeballed it here. You could have seen that
both of their y-intercepts, which happens when x is
equal to 0, y is equal to 2. So this point right over
here is the point 0, 2. We already know that this
point right over here is the point negative
2, negative 4. And now we just need to find
the distance between these two points. And the distance
formula really is just an application of the
Pythagorean theorem. We just need to
find the distance in the change in the y
direction and the change in the x direction. So let's do that separately. So in the y direction, what is
this distance right over here? So we went from y is equal to
negative 4 to y is equal to 2. This distance right
over here is 6. And what is this
distance right over here? Well, we go from x equals
negative 2 to x equals 0. So this distance
right over here is 2. So the distance between
these two points is really just the hypotenuse
of a right triangle that has sides 6 and 2. If we call this
distance d, we could say that the distance
squared is equal to. And all I'm really doing here is
restating the distance formula. The distance formula
tells you all this Y2 minus Y1, which is 6, squared. But that's just the
Pythagorean theorem. That's just saying 6 squared
plus x2 minus x1, which is 0 minus negative 2, which
is positive 2 squared is going to be equal to the
distance squared. But we see that's just
the Pythagorean theorem. But anyway, let's
solve for the distance. So the distance
squared is going to be equal to 36 plus 4, which is 40. And now, let's see. The distance is equal to
the square root of 40. Square root of 40
is the same thing as the square root
of 4 times 10. And so that's the same. So the distance is equal to
2 if we factor out the 4. It's the square root of 4
times square root of 10. 2 is the square root of 4. 2 square roots of 10. And we're done.