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## Algebra 2 (Eureka Math/EngageNY)

### Course: Algebra 2 (Eureka Math/EngageNY) > Unit 3

Lesson 5: Topic B: Lessons 10-12: Logarithm properties- Intro to logarithm properties (1 of 2)
- Intro to logarithm properties (2 of 2)
- Intro to logarithm properties
- Using the logarithmic product rule
- Using the logarithmic power rule
- Use the properties of logarithms
- Using the properties of logarithms: multiple steps
- Proof of the logarithm product rule
- Proof of the logarithm quotient and power rules
- Justifying the logarithm properties

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# Justifying the logarithm properties

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Study the proofs of the logarithm properties: the product rule, the quotient rule, and the power rule.

In this lesson, we will prove three logarithm properties: the product rule, the quotient rule, and the power rule. Before we begin, let's recall a useful fact that will help us along the way.

In other words, a logarithm in base b reverses the effect of a base b power!

Keep this in mind as you read through the proofs that follow.

## Product Rule: log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, M, N, right parenthesis, equals, log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, M, right parenthesis, plus, log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, N, right parenthesis

Let's start by proving a specific case of the rule — the case when M, equals, 4, N, equals, 8, and b, equals, 2.

Substituting these values into log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, M, N, right parenthesis, we see:

And so we have that log, start base, 2, end base, left parenthesis, 4, dot, 8, right parenthesis, equals, log, start base, 2, end base, left parenthesis, 4, right parenthesis, plus, log, start base, 2, end base, left parenthesis, 8, right parenthesis.

While this only verifies one case, we can follow this logic to prove the product rule in general.

Notice, that writing 4 and 8 as powers of 2 was key to the proof. So in general, we'd like M and N to be powers of the base b. To do this, we can let M, equals, b, start superscript, x, end superscript and N, equals, b, start superscript, y, end superscript for some real numbers x and y.

Then by definition, it is also true that log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, M, right parenthesis, equals, x and log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, N, right parenthesis, equals, y.

Now we have:

## Quotient Rule: log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, start fraction, M, divided by, N, end fraction, right parenthesis, equals, log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, M, right parenthesis, minus, log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, N, right parenthesis

The proof of this property follows a method similar to the one used above.

Again, if we let M, equals, b, start superscript, x, end superscript and N, equals, b, start superscript, y, end superscript, then it follows that log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, M, right parenthesis, equals, x and log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, N, right parenthesis, equals, y.

We can now prove the quotient rule as follows:

## Power Rule: log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, M, start superscript, p, end superscript, right parenthesis, equals, p, log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, M, right parenthesis

This time, only M is involved in the property and so it is sufficient to let M, equals, b, start superscript, x, end superscript, which gives us that log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, M, right parenthesis, equals, x.

The proof of the power rule is shown below.

Alternatively, we can justify this property by using the product rule.

For example, we know that log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, M, start superscript, p, end superscript, right parenthesis, equals, log, start base, b, end base, left parenthesis, M, dot, M, dot, point, point, point, dot, M, right parenthesis, where M is multiplied by itself p times.

We can now use the product rule along with the definition of multiplication as repeated addition to complete the proof. This is shown below.

And so you have it! We have just proven the three logarithm properties!

## Want to join the conversation?

- Why is it useful to prove these properties? Is it not sufficient to merely use them as they come up in our homework?(10 votes)
- Sure,you could skip the proofs and just use these properties as they come up in your homework,but would you not like to know that how do these properties work?

Human beings from the very beginning have been curious about how and why stuff works,and I believe that it is only because of their curiosity to know more about how and why their universe works,that they have been able to develop and evolve unlike other animals.

Moreover, mathematics is a discipline that,along with the sciences, focuses on the how and why questions,which is the reason why we proof things,so that everyone comes to know that whatever that is in mathematics is how the universe works,and nothing is someone's made up rule,that you need to mindlessly follow.

Anyway it's always good to know these kind of proofs because you may be asked to proof them,or something else closely related to them in certain maths tests that you may have to take :-)(93 votes)

- how can we prove the log property which is used fr calculators?(14 votes)
- If you are asking about the base change formula

log base a of b = log base c of b / log base c of a

Which I will prove using log base e for ease of notation (Log base e of x = ln (x)) the main thing is to start where the other proofs started...the definition of the logarithm and the properties of exponents.

Suppose I have two positive real numbers a and b, a<>1 and

log base a of b = M.

then I can write

b = a^M by the definition of the logarithm.

Now take the natural logarithm (or other base if you want) of both sides of the equation to get the equivalent equation

ln(b)=ln(a^M).

Now we can use the exponent property of logarithms we proved above to write

ln(b)=M*ln(a).

Divide both sides by ln(a) to get

ln(b)/ln(a) = M

Substituing in for M in our original equation we now see that

log base a of b = M = ln(b)/ln(a).(24 votes)

- How can you prove the power rule using the power rule?

logb(b^c)=c is actually what you used and this is actually the power rule.(8 votes)- log_b(b^c) = c is
**not**the power rule. The power rule stated with those variables is:

log_b(b^c) = c * log_b(b)

But what is log_b(b)? That would be the same as asking "What exponent can we raise b to obtain b?". The answer, is obviously 1 because b^1 = b.

The power rule more generally, can be expressed as:

log_a(b^c) = c * log_a(b)

So back to the original. How can we show that log_b(b^c) = c without using the power rule?

Let's start by rewriting this as an exponent:

log_b(b^c) = x ---> b^x = b^c

Because b^x = b^c, x equals c. What is x? x is log_b(b^c).

Therefore, log_b(b^c) = c. Here, we didn't use the power rule.(8 votes)

- how can we expand (log2x)^2?(2 votes)
- I am unsure of which variation you are showing, so I'll show both:
**Scenario 1**.) (log2(x))²

When you have a log that is squared outside of the parenthesis, it would look like this: log²2(x)

Using log(b)/log(a) rule to put everything as the same base, we now have:

>> log²(x)/log²(2), which is fully simplified**Scenario 2**.) (log(2x))²

Rewritten as like scenario 1,

>> log²(2x) which is already simplified

Note that:

(log(x))² ≠ 2log(x)

only that,

log(x²) = 2log(x)(7 votes)

- a^m * b^n = a^(m+n)

Is it allowed to state the equation above, without explicitly mentioning a=2? Because the equation only holds when a=b.(2 votes)- It doesn't matter if a = 2 or not, Sayannil is correct.

But if you meant "a^m + a^n = a^(m+n)", that is correct, for any real number a, not just 2.(7 votes)

- How can we just write both sides as exponents? How is the value of both sides equal when we take the log at the same base of sides? Is there an inverse log that cancels them?(2 votes)
- It is log(base 5) and 5^ that are opposite operations, so 5^(log(base 5) x)=x and log(base 5)(5^x) = x. First is 5 to the power of log base 5 of x and second is log base 5 of 5 to the x power, it is hard to type these out without confusing parehtheses.(3 votes)

- What is e^4 and how to you find it?(2 votes)
- e^4, which is approximately 54.5981, can be found by just typing it into a calculator, just like how you typed it into your question.(3 votes)

- Why is a^log_a(x) = x? and why does the base has to be positive?(2 votes)
**q1**: so this statement is reached via log and exponential functions, so in the case of x not being an imaginary number:

f(x) = aˣ

the inverse is true when:

f⁻¹(f(x)) = x or f⁻¹f(x)

the inverse is logₐx (x and y swap technique), so:

a^(logₐx) = x

example:

let logₐx be b;

aᵇ = x

let a = 5 and x = 10;

5ᵇ = 10

b = log₅10

now substitute log₅10 back into 5ᵇ = 10

5^(log₅10) = 10

now return the 5 and 10 values back to a and x:

a^(logₐx) = x**q2**: the base must be positive because when we rewrite a logarithmic expression with a negative base, using the base swap rule, we will be putting a negative value through log.

example:

log₋₂8= log₂8/(log₂-2)

you cannot log a negative value because it would be like trying to find a base 2 with a negative value. noo(2 votes)

- log(-5)-log(-1) = undefined (10 to the power of anything will never be negative)

log(-5/-1) = 0.0969100130081

log(-5/-1) =/= log(-5)-log(-1)

log(-x/-b) =/= log(-x)-log(-b)

log(x/b) =/= log(x)-log(b) ?

How does the quotient property work if a double negative cancels in one form but is undefined in the other form?(3 votes)- https://www.khanacademy.org/math/algebra2/x2ec2f6f830c9fb89:logs/x2ec2f6f830c9fb89:log-prop/a/properties-of-logarithms

At the top it states M,N>0, so the properties have the stipulation that the number inside a log must be positive.(0 votes)

- log_2(2^(2+3)) is obviously 2+3 (logs_2 are powers of 2).

But we already know that 2 is log_2(4) and 3 is log_2(8) (why?)

Therefore 2+3 = log_2(4) + log_2(8).

Therefore log_2(2^(2+3)) = log_2(4) + log_2(8).(2 votes)