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# Rational number word problem: ice

Word problems force us to put concepts to work using real-world applications. In this example, determine the volume of frozen water and express the answer as a fraction. Created by Sal Khan.

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• Hi In this example sal took 9% of 1/3 and then added with original 1/3 = 109/300 = 0.3633
What would have happened if we evaluated 1/3 = 0.33 and then taken 9% of 0.33 = 0.0297
Hence final answer would have been 0.33 + 0.0297 = 0.3597.
So can we say that taking % of fraction is more precise than converting it into decimal ?

Thanks
• Yes, usually working with fractions is more accurate than working with decimals, because when we use decimals we quite often create errors by rounding the numbers. You've given a good example, by saying that 1/3 = 0.33. It's not: 1/3 = 0.33333333... and so on forever. Try taking 9% of that instead -- you'll see that you get 0.03 and not 0.0297, so the final answer becomes 0.36333333..., and again so on forever. By contrast, the fraction 109/300 is totally accurate!
• Why do you have to multiply 1/3 into 1/3+9%
• I'm confused. Why don't you just multiply 9 percent by 1/3? Why do you have to add 1/3 to the product of 1/3 times 9? That is what confuses me. Is it because when you times 9 by 1/3 that only tells you how much the water expands? Then you have to add that amount to 1/3 to get the total amount of volume of water?
• Yes, that's exactly it. Multiplying 1/3 by 9% will give you the amount of additioal volume that will be added when the water freezes, but to get the total volume of the ice, you'll have to add that addtional amount to the amount before freezing. The other way to do this is multiplying 1/3 by 109% (that's the same as multiplying it by 1.09).
• is there a practice session for this?
• Why did he add 9%*1/3 to the original volume(1/3)? Is that how you find the volume...I forget. Sorry if this question is weird.
• Hi Lee, what the video basically says in the beginning is that if you have 1/3 gallon of water and you freeze it, the volume of this 1/3 gallon will increase by 9%.

So after freezing your 1/3 gallon of water it's volume will have increased by 9%, so you are left with 100%*1/3 gallon + 9%*1/3 gallon, which is 109%*1/3 gallon.

Later in the video this result is worked out as a fraction.
• I know reducing and multiplying fractions have both been covered before, but the way the 9/100 * 1/3 expression was reduced was very confusing to me. Help?
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• You can change the 9 to a 3 and the other 3 as a denominator to a 1 because 9/3 is 3 and 3/3 is 1. So it turns to 3/100*1/1=3/100. Is that what you meant?
• is it important that denominator should be positive, while comparing rational numbers
• Good question. It makes it simpler to do the comparison if we don't have to worry about negative signs in the numerator and denominator. We can still compare them, but it's harder to do and we're more likely to make mistakes.

Making sure that the denominator is positive is one of those maths rules that doesn't actually change the value of anything, it just makes it easier for us to use. It's like using capital letters at the beginning of sentences - that doesn't change the meaning of a sentence, it just helps us when we're reading by making the beginning of the sentence more obvious.