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# Foci of a hyperbola from equation

Sal discusses the foci of hyperbolas and shows how they relate to hyperbola equations. Created by Sal Khan.

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- So a hyperbola is essentially an "inside out" ellipse?(29 votes)
- It is technically the opposite of a ellipse. One of the x/y is negative making it "inside out."(22 votes)

- I am confused. Where is the point 'b' on hyperbola?(9 votes)
- "b" is not a point on a hyperbola, but the number is important to the overall shape. The b comes in when finding the slope of asymptotes of the hyperbola.

"(b/a) x" will give the equations for those lines, in the event the it is centered on the origin.

"(b/a) (x-c) + d", where c is the change in x and d is the change in y, will solve for any hyperbola of the origin.(11 votes)

- can the focal lengths of an ellipse be any distance away from the center along the major axis ??(6 votes)
- Focal length is the distance away from the center the 2 Foci are. Foci will always exist on the major radius so no.(1 vote)

- I'm confused of the definition of ellipse and hyperbola.. Why is this video called 'Foci of hyperbola' while what being talked about is the foci of ellipse? Or is there any close relationship between ellipse and hyperbola? Many thanks!(3 votes)
- At the beginning of the video he shows you the ellipse because he wanted you to see that f = sqrt(a^2 - b^2) is an equation that applies to the ellipse and then then after that he starts to talk about the hyperbola and how the equation is f = sqrt(a^2 + b^2), which shows the relationship you are asking of between the ellipse and the hyperbola because you can see the only change is that the - became a +(2 votes)

- Does anyone hear the alarm going off in the background?(5 votes)
- Shouldn't the focal length just be the square root of the absolute value of a squared minus b squared? This way it doesn't matter which is bigger.

f=sqrt(|a^2-b^2|)(2 votes)- ??? sqrt(abs(3^2-4^2))=sqrt(5)

sqrt(abs(4^2+3^2))=sqrt(25)=5.

If you are just talking about an ellipse then yes that is right.(2 votes)

- Does Sal have any proof videos for d1 + d2 = 2a for ellipses or |d2 - d1| = 2a for hyperbolas?(3 votes)
- I do not understand why the asymptote is 4/3? Is it not that x^2= (9/16)*y^2, so the asymptote is x=(3/4)y(3 votes)
- what does the ' a ' and ' b ' represent ? a radius of something ?(1 vote)
- 'a' is the distance between the center of the hyperbola and the vertices. I am not sure if 'b' represents a specific distance related to the hyperbola, but as we see in this video, it is related to the focus, and it is also related to the slope of the asymptotes: b / a

My suspicion is that an equation that uses*only*distances defined by the hyperbola might substitute |a^2 - f^2| for b^2, but then you wouldn't have easy access to the slope of the asymptotes, which would be inconvenient.(3 votes)

- I don't get why the formula for a hyperbola is so similar to the formula for an ellipse. Can someone explain? Thanks.

Also, at13:30wasn't sal using the formula of an ellipse and using the focal length formula of a hyperbola?(2 votes)- They are similar because the equation for a hyperbola is the same as an ellipse except the equation for a hyperbola has a - instead of a + (in the graphical equation). As for your second question, Sal is using the foci formula of the hyperbola, not an ellipse. The foci formula for an ellipse is

c^2=|a^2-b^2|

And the foci formula for a hyperbola is:

c^2 = a^2 + b^2 (same as the pythagorean theorem)

does this help?(1 vote)

## Video transcript

In the last video, we learned
that an ellipse can be defined as the locus of all points
where the sum of the distances to two special points, called
foci-- and let me draw this all out, so that's my x-axis-- the
sum of the distance to these two special points, called
focuses or foci, is a constant. So if this is my ellipse-- I'll
draw it out, that looks about where I want it to be right
around, that looks about right-- it's centered at the
origin, doesn't have to be, but for our purposes, let's make
it centered on the origin. If this is one focus point
right here, and this is the other focus point, this ellipse
could be defined as the set of all points, or the locus of all
points, where if I take the distance of any one of these
points that exist on the ellipse and take the distance
to each of the locuses-- sorry, each of the focuses-- if I take
that-- nope, I don't want to do that-- if I take that distance
and add it to this distance, so let's call this d1-- nope, too
thick-- let's call that d1, this is d2-- that that's going
to be equal to a constant number along the whole ellipse. So if I take a random point
along the ellipse, say I take this point right here, and if I
were to sum this distance to that distance-- so let's call
this d3, this is d4-- the sums of these distances to the focus
along with this ellipse are going to be a constant. So in this case, d2 plus d1,
this plus that, is going to be equal to d3 plus d4. And this would be true wherever
you go along the whole ellipse, and we learned in the last
video that this quantity is actually going to be equal to
2a, where a is the distance of the semi-major radius. If this is the formula
for the ellipse, this is where the a comes from. x squared over a squared
plus y squared over b squared is equal to 1. And we learned that the focus,
the focal distance-- or the distance from the central of
the ellipse, which is this distance right here-- that
focal distance is just the square root of the difference
of these two numbers. If this is the focal distance
from here to here, it's just equal to the square root of--
if a is larger then it would be a squared minus b squared,
which is the case in this ellipse. If we have a vertical ellipse,
and I really didn't cover it in the last video, but let me just
show you what it would look like. Let's say that the ellipse
looks something like this. I'll use blue. Let's say the ellipse
looks like that. In this case, our semi-major
radius is now in the y direction, so this is b, this
is a, and in this case, b is greater than a, because the
ellipse is tall and skinny. In this case the, focuses
are always going to lie along the major axis. In this case the major axis is
the vertical axis, so the focuses are going to sit here
and here, and in this case, the focal lengths are going to be
vertical down from the origin and vertical up from the
origin, and we get, instead of it being a squared minus b
squared, now since b is larger than a, the focal length, which
is this, is going to be equal to b squared minus a squared. Fair enough. Now I did all of that to kind
of compare it to what we're going to cover in this video,
which is the focus points or the foci of a hyperbola. And a hyperbola, it's very
close to an ellipse, you could probably guess that, because if
this is the equation of an ellipse, this is the
equation of a hyperbola. x squared over a squared
minus y squared over b squared is equal to 1. Or we could switch these
around, where the minus is in front of the
x instead of the y. And we could cover
that in a second. But this hyperbola looks
something like this. Let me see if I can draw it. If I draw the axes, and then I
want to draw the asymptotes-- you could prove it, you could
look at the some of the previous videos, but the
asymptotes for this hyperbola are going to be y is equal to
plus or minus b over ax, so it's going to look-- I'll just
draw them as kind of tilted lines, so it would look
something like that, something like-- nope. I want to make it
something like that. Those are the as-- but this
one's centered at the origin, because it hasn't been shifted,
and then that's those two lines right there. And then, this is what I call
kind of a horizontal hyperbola. The way you can think about
that is, well, if you solve for y, you'll see that you're
always going to be a little bit lower than the asymptote. The other option is you say,
OK, can x or y equal 0? Well if y is equal to 0, that
puts us along the x-axis, and you get x squared over a
squared is equal to 1, which means that x squared is equal
to a squared, which means that x is equal to plus or minus a. So the points a,0, and
the point minus a,0, are both on this hyperbola. And since they have to kind
of be contained by these asymptotes, never go through
it, you know that this is going to be a hyperbola that opens to
the left and the right, so it'll look something like this. Let me use its color. So it'll look something-- this
is the hard part-- it'll get closer and closer on that side,
and then you kind of view this as one of the vertexes or
vertices of the hyperbola, and it'll go like that. Where this distance-- and
notice the similarity here with the ellipse-- this distance
right here-- let me do it in a more vibrant color-- this
distance right here, between these two I guess you could
call them the elbows of the two ellipses-- that distance
right there, that is a, and this is also a. So you have a 2a distance,
which is very similar to this situation, where this distance
is a and this distance is a. So your distance between the
two left and right points in a horizontal ellipse is the same
as the distance between the two left and right points
on a hyperbola. It's just the hyperbola
opens outward while the ellipse opens inward. Fair enough. But the whole point of this
video is to discuss foci, and you might have guessed-- and I
did touch on it in the last video-- that hyperbola also
have foci, but they open. They're going to be to the
right and the left of these two points, so this is a-- let me
do them in a bright color, because I want you see them--
let's say that those are the two foci-- and a hyperbola,
this is-- and notice the difference. An ellipse, one of the
definitions of an ellipse, was the locus of all points or the
set of all points where the distance from each of those
points, the sum of the distance from each of those points to
the two foci is a constant. Now the definition of a
hyperbola, one of the definitions of a hyperbola, can
be the locus of all points where you take the difference--
not the sum, you take the difference of the distances
between the two foci, so if-- let me write that down. So this is d1, and this is d2,
so you have a situation-- and we could take the absolute
value of the difference, because they might be, they
might at some points d1 will be longer than d2
if you're on this curve. If you're on this curve, d1
will be shorter than d2-- So d1 minus d2, the absolute value is
going to be equal to constant. In the ellipse situation,
d1 plus d2 was a constant. So they're very
closely related. In the ellipse, you're taking
the sum of the distances to the focus points and
saying it's a constant. In a hyperbola, you're taking
the difference of the distances to the focus points and
saying that's a constant. So this number right here is
going to be the exact same thing as if I took a point
right here-- and I'm picking these points arbitrarily, as
long as they're on the hyperbola, and if I called
these two points d3 and d4, the difference between d1 and d2 is
the same thing as the difference, between
d3 minus d4. This is going to be a
constant the entire way around the ellipse. And so the next question
is, what is this constant going to be equal to? And this is where it's useful
to find a point where you can kind of get the intuition, and
we did it with the ellipses, where we said if we take these
points, we used logic in the last video to say oh, the sum
of the distance between this and this, that sum, is going to
be equal to, we saw, is going to be equal to 2a, or
the distance of the semi-major axis. Because this distance was the
same as this distance, so this plus this is the same thing as
this plus that, which is 2a. So the entire time, the
contents, the sum of the distances to the two
foci was equal to 2a. Now in the hyperbola, what
is the difference of the distances to the two foci? So let's take this point right
here on the hyperbola, and we're saying so what is-- let
me do a good color-- what is the magenta distance-- that's
the distance to that foci-- minus this-- let me pick
another color-- minus this light blue distance? This magenta distance minus
this light blue distance. So we can make a very similar
argument that we made in the ellipse situation. This light blue distance is the
same, the distance from this vertex or from this leftmost
point of this rightward opening hyperbola to this focus is
the same as this distance. Because a hyperbola is
symmetric around the origin or the focal length is the same on
either side of the center of the hyperbola depending on how
you may view it, but I think that's not too much of a
stretch of a statement for you to for you to accept. So if this distance is the same
as this distance, then the magenta distance minus this
blue distance is going to be equal to this green distance. And this green
distance is what? That's 2a. We saw that at the
beginning of this video. So this, once again,
is also equal to 2a. Anyway, I'll leave
you there right now. Actually, let's actually just
do one problem, just because I like to make one concrete. Because I told you at the
beginning that if you wanted to find the-- so if you have an
ellipse-- so if you have-- this is an ellipse, x squared over a
squared plus y squared over b squared is equal to 1, we
learned that the-- that's over b squared-- this is an ellipse. We learned that the focal
length is equal to the square root of a squared
minus b squared. Now for a hyperbola, you kind
of see that there's a very close relation between the
ellipse and the hyperbola, but it is kind of a fun
thing to ponder about. And a hyperbola's equation
looks like this. x squared over a squared minus
y squared over b squared, or it could be y squared over b
squared minus x squared over a square is equal to 1. It turns out, and I'll prove
this to you in the next video, it's a little bit of a hairy
math problem, that the focal length of a hyperbola is equal
to the square root of the sum of these two numbers, is equal
to the sum of a squared plus b squared. So if I were to give you--
so notice the difference. It's just a difference in sign. You're taking the difference of
those two denominators, and now you're taking the sum of
the two denominators. So if I were to give you
the following hyperbola. x squared over 9 plus y squared
over 16 is equal to 1. Well, the first thing you do
is-- though I've never-- well, we could just figure out
the focal length just by plugging into the formula. The focal length is equal
to the square root of a squared plus b squared. This is squared,
right? a is three. b is 4. So 9 plus 16 is 25,
which is equal to 5. And so if we were to graph
this-- that's my y-axis, that's my x-axis-- and the focal
length is the distance to, in this case, to the left and
the right of the origin. If it was kind of an up and
down opening hyperbola, it would be above and below the
origin, so this is a-- oh sorry, this should be a plus. We're doing with a hyperbola,
that should be a minus. Don't want to confuse you. What I had written before,
with a plus, that would have been an ellipse. A minus is the hyperbola. So the two asymptotes-- this is
centered at the origin, it hasn't been shifted-- are going
to be 16 over 9, so it's going to be fairly steep asymptotes,
it's going to look something like that and that, those
are the two asymptotes-- The two vertex points are at 2
times a. a is three, right? a squared is equal to 9, b
squared is equal to 16, so this is the center, so the two
vertex points, this is 3 minus 3, and then the focal points
are going to be at, from the center, 5 to the right, so
that's going to be right here, so that's 5,0, and minus 5,0. This is minus 3, and this is 3,
so if we were to graph it, it would look something like this. There you go. And if you were to take an
arbitrary point on that hyperbola and take this
distance and subtract that from that distance, that will be a
constant number that would be exactly equal to 2a or exactly
equal to 6, in this particular example. Anyway. Hopefully I didn't confuse you
too much with that little sign error near the end of the
video, but in the next video, I'll prove to you this formula,
which is a little bit of hairy algebra but it's fun
to do regardless.