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8th grade (Eureka Math/EngageNY)
Course: 8th grade (Eureka Math/EngageNY) > Unit 4
Lesson 1: Topic A: Writing and solving linear equations- Intro to equations with variables on both sides
- Equations with variables on both sides: 20-7x=6x-6
- Equations with variables on both sides
- Equation with variables on both sides: fractions
- Equations with variables on both sides: decimals & fractions
- Equation with the variable in the denominator
- Equations with parentheses
- Equations with parentheses
- Equations with parentheses: decimals & fractions
- Number of solutions to equations
- Worked example: number of solutions to equations
- Number of solutions to equations
- Creating an equation with no solutions
- Creating an equation with infinitely many solutions
- Number of solutions to equations challenge
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Creating an equation with no solutions
Sal shows how to complete the equation -11x + 4 = __x + __ so that it has no solutions. Created by Sal Khan.
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How do I find the value of a constant, such as (k) where there are no solutions? How would I solve it if the equation 4(80 + n) = (3k)n ?(17 votes)
I think you are saying that you need to find a value of "k" so that the equation will have no solution.
For this to happen...
1) the coefficient of "n" must match on both sides of the equation
2) the constant on each side must be different.
Start by simplifying your equation -- distribute the 4: 320 + 4n = 3kn
The constants on each side are different: 320 on left, and 0 on right. So, one condition is met.
We now know that the coefficient of "n" must = 4. You can find "k" by setting 3k = 4 and solving for "k".
Hope this helps.(12 votes)
Wait. Equations with no solution cannot apply to something in real life because of the laws of thermodynamics, so if these equations have no real life use why are we learning about them at all. Or do they have a real life use.(10 votes)
That is actually almost true, but the reason we learn them is to show that there are equations with no answer, but yes there is no real life application since you will never in real life with real problems ever really experience something with no solution.(9 votes)
Is there any simple trick to find the equation which has no solution without even solving it(5 votes)
This trick is based on simplifying and as soon as you see the same coefficients of the variable on both sides and any different numbers on the two sides, you know that there are no solutions.
Example: 2(2x+7)= 5x +12 -x
Distribute on left to get 4x +14
Combine like terms on right to get 4x + 12
Since the coefficients of x are both 4, but the constants are different, you know there are no solutions because if you took it to the end, you would get 2=0 which can never be true.(6 votes)
Is there any real world application for making an equation with no solution?(6 votes)
No, there can't be, because it wouldn't exist. If there is no solution, there can't be an existance.(4 votes)
- I cant wrap my head around this. In the form ax+b=cx+d ... if a!=c then there is apparently only one solution. That means both if ( a!=c AND b=d ) Or ( a!=c AND b!=d) in either case the equation is supposed to have just one result. But for the first option I can rearrange to cancel out b and d so
ax = cx
Now if if I solve for any value of x I get two different values on both sides of the equality, and in my head this would surely indicate that there is no solution.
I can do the same for the second option with the added step of moving b and d around, but still ending up with different values on either side of the equality.
So what have I missed. Is it to do with visualising the equation on a graph or is it some other more obvious fallacy. Im just missing something important about how to think about these equations?(3 votes)- The thing you are missing is if you get to ax = cx when b=d, you can solve for x.
Subtract either cx or ax from both sides.
ax - cx = 0
"a" and "c" are different values, so when subtracted, they would create some new number (but not zero). Let's call this new number "n" where a - c = n.
Then, ax - cx would = nx.
nx = 0
Divide by n
x = 0/n = 0. (one solution)
Try it. Plus in different values for "a" and "b" and work thru the steps. x = 0 would be solution for when a!=c AND b=d.(6 votes)
wow i dont get it(3 votes)
What do you not get?(4 votes)
How do I know which to start by cancelling out on a quiz? The constants or the coefficients and their variables? Or should I work the equation twice, each time cancelling out a different part first?(2 votes)- The properties of equality are vary flexible - there is no strict sequence. Many students find it less confusing it they move the variables (and their coefficients first. You would then have the variable on one side and it is clear that anything other than the variable must be moved to the other side. In an equation with no solution, move the variable to one side will result in the variable adding to zero on both sides. You are then left with constants only on both sides. If the sides are not equal, the equation has no solution. If the constants are equal, then the equation has a solution of all real numbers.
Hope this helps.(6 votes)
why would we want to make a linear equation that has no solution, isn't the point of an equation to solve for the variable?(1 vote)
Wow, this comment is old, where are you now? anyway, my guess is that by creating a linear equation with no solution at all we could instantly distinguish equations with no solution with just 1 step or less and thus saving time.(4 votes)
- How is this fun at all(4 votes)
- So we are solving one side to be inequal to another? There's infinite solutions for something with no solution, that is surely weird.(1 vote)
- Your question does not make sense, you are not solving one side to be inequal to the other. You are solving an equatio9n and finding that the variables cancel each other out leaving an equation can never be true. So there are not an infinite number of solutions, there are an infinite number of ways to show an equation with no solutions.(5 votes)
Video transcript
We're asked to use
the drop-downs to form a linear equation
with no solutions. So a linear equation
with no solutions is going to be one where I don't
care how you manipulate it, the thing on the
left can never be equal to the thing on the right. And so let's see what
options they give us. One, they want us to-- we
can pick the coefficient on the x term and then
we can pick the constant. So if we made this
negative 11x, so now we have a negative
11x on both sides. Here on the left hand side,
we have negative 11x plus 4. If we do something other
than 4 here, so if we did say negative 11x minus
11, then here we're not going to have any solutions. And you say, hey, Sal how
did you come up with that? Well think about
it right over here. We have a negative 11x here,
we have a negative 11x there. If you wanted to solve
it algebraically you could add 11x to both sides
and both of these terms will cancel out with each other
and all you would be left with is a 4 is equal to
a negative 11, which is not possible for
any x that you pick. Another way that you
think about it is here we have negative 11
times some number and we're adding 4
to it, and here we're taking negative 11 times
that same number and we're subtracting 11 from it. So if you take a negative
11 times some number and on one side you add four,
and on the other side you subtract 11, there's no way, it
doesn't matter what x you pick. There's no x for which
that is going to be true. But let's check our
answer right over here.