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Lesson 7: Electing a presidentThe Electoral College
The U.S. uses the Electoral College to elect presidents, not direct voting. Each state gets electors based on its number of congressmen. Most states use a winner-takes-all system, except Maine and Nebraska. A candidate can win the popular vote but lose the Electoral College. This system can lead to candidates focusing on swing states. Created by Sal Khan.
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- Why use a system that is not only more arbitrarily complex but also less fair than a simple vote? What vested interests are maintaining the status quo?(144 votes)
- During the drafting of the constitution, the small states (Rhode Island, Delaware) were worried that they would be run over by the big states (Virginia, New York). The big states wanted representation strictly according to population (the Virginia Plan) and the small states wanted representation strictly by state (the New Jersey Plan). The "Great Compromise" or the Connecticut Plan gave us 1) the senate (rep by state), 2) the house of rep (rep by population), 3) the electoral college and 4) ratification of amendments 'by state' so that we could never fix it. There are a lot of little states that like this way.(172 votes)
- If the Electoral College votes take care of the issue of large states overpowering the smaller states, why does it use a "winner-take-all" system rather than a proportional one? Wouldn't a system that gives candidate A 50% of a state's electoral votes if he/she wins 50% of the popular vote stay truer to the popular vote while weighting each citizens vote more equally?(54 votes)
- Ok. In order to accurately answer the question a few historical facts needs to be addressed. First of all the government created under the new Constitution is a "Republic." The Constitution specifically requires and states that our government is a "Republic." The term "Democracy" was feared by many people at the time the Constitution was created. What’s the difference? A "Republic" is an indirect form of democracy where people rule through elected representatives. The electoral "college" is an example. The term "college" signifies the original intent that it was to be made up of "political wise men." The Electoral College was also the result of a couple of compromises. Much like the rest of the Constitution, the Electoral College was a compromise. It was compromise between the states and the people. The senate originally was not elected directly until the 17th amendment. The intent was that the senate was to represent the states, while the House of Representative was to represent the people. This came out of the "Great Compromise." Likewise the Electoral College was similar compromise. Many of the founders did not think that the average voter had the knowledge necessary to make a decision "DIRECTLY." They did not want the President elected on a “Whim” or by “fad or fancy” so they came up with the Electoral College system. The electors elect the President. If one lives in a rural state or a state with a "small" population the Electoral College usually benefits the "Weight" of your individual vote. In addition it is a safeguard that protects against large states ruling small states. Large states still have more influence; small (population wise) states have the individual votes weighted more. Now all of that being said nothing prevents the individual electors from actually voting against the popular vote of the state or district that they are representing. They may take an oath to vote with the popular vote of the state or district and most states, if not all have laws saying that they must vote with popular vote of the state or district, BUT, since the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land, there is actually nothing that prevents the individual electors from voting against the popular vote except the ramifications of the people in their area. This has in fact happened, for example in the 1960’s the Civil Rights era saw 15 individual electors actually vote against the popular vote. Very rare but it does and can happen. Basically it matters where a candidate wins as much as how much the candidate wins. Otherwise “small” states would be ignored more than they already are in the election process.(74 votes)
- Is it possible that in the future we might, at some point, do away with this system and allow the people to directly vote for their candidates? If this occurs, will it be beneficial for the U.S., or is this complex system just a more suitable way of doing things?(30 votes)
- The electoral college was developed when America was very new, communication and transportation were primitive by today's standards, and the founders did not trust the "common" people to be wise enough to choose the president. (Women were not even allowed to vote until 1920.) Today, we see that there are a handful of "swing" states (like Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, and others) where the presidential candidates devote a huge amount of their time or money to get elected. The vast majority of the states are ignored because they either don't have enough electoral votes to be considered important enough, or the people who live in those states have traditionally voted for one party or the other and so the candidates don't want to waste their time and money in a state where the results are already pretty predictable. The best solution (in my opinion) would simply be to do away with the electoral college completely and have a general election where every vote in every state is equal. The person with the most votes in the entire country would win the election. However, Good Luck getting the American Congress to ever seriously consider changing this antiquated, unfair electoral college system that BOTH parties spend millions of dollars trying to manipulate in their favor. Remember, it took Congress over 150 years just to allow women to vote in these presidential elections. Hope this helps. Good Luck.(50 votes)
- So, if the Electoral College system has such unfair distortions (), why isn't the system changed so that everyone's vote is equal? 4:16(29 votes)
- Ok. In order to accurately answer the question a few historical facts needs to be addressed. First of all the government created under the new Constitution is a "Republic." The Constitution specifically requires and states that our government is a "Republic." The term "Democracy" was feared by many people at the time the Constitution was created. What’s the difference? A "Republic" is an indirect form of democracy where people rule through elected representatives. The electoral "college" is an example. The term "college" signifies the original intent that it was to be made up of "political wise men." The Electoral College was also the result of a couple of compromises. Much like the rest of the Constitution, the Electoral College was a compromise. It was compromise between the states and the people. The senate originally was not elected directly until the 17th amendment. The intent was that the senate was to represent the states, while the House of Representative was to represent the people. This came out of the "Great Compromise." Likewise the Electoral College was similar compromise. Many of the founders did not think that the average voter had the knowledge necessary to make a decision "DIRECTLY." They did not want the President elected on a “Whim” or by “fad or fancy” so they came up with the Electoral College system. The electors elect the President. If one lives in a rural state or a state with a "small" population the Electoral College usually benefits the "Weight" of your individual vote. In addition it is a safeguard that protects against large states ruling small states. Large states still have more influence; small (population wise) states have the individual votes weighted more. Now all of that being said nothing prevents the individual electors from actually voting against the popular vote of the state or district that they are representing. They may take an oath to vote with the popular vote of the state or district and most states, if not all have laws saying that they must vote with popular vote of the state or district, BUT, since the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land, there is actually nothing that prevents the individual electors from voting against the popular vote except the ramifications of the people in their area. This has in fact happened, for example in the 1960’s the Civil Rights era saw 15 individual electors actually vote against the popular vote. Very rare but it does and can happen. Basically it matters where a candidate wins as much as how much the candidate wins. Otherwise “small” states would be ignored more than they already are in the election process.(29 votes)
- Sal talks about certain ways that this system is "unfair", but are there other ways that this system has advantages over a more simple approach that might have led to it being designed this way? When and how was this system developed, and why was it designed the way that it was?(14 votes)
- America is still young right now the system is working for America do not tip the boat over.(4 votes)
- What would happen if a candidate won a plurality of the votes in a state, but because of third parties, didn't win a majority? For example, the Democrat gets 49% the Republican gets 47% and the Green party gets 4%. None of them got the majority (50.1 or more.) but the Democrat got the plurality, the highest amount of votes.
I'd assume it just goes to the candidate with the plurality?(11 votes)- In the United States we use a voting system called First Past the Post (FPP) meaning you don't need a majority to win an election only a plurality.(0 votes)
- Why can Maine and Nebraska split electoral votes? I think they passed a law or something, but wouldn't that be a more fair system, so more states should that? Why only two?(5 votes)
- Most states don't want to give up the power that comes from voting as a block. However, a lot of states have passed legislation that says that once most or all of the other states agree to change, they'll go along.(6 votes)
- Around, Sal says the guy promises to vote for this person instead of you actually voting. Can someone explain this further? 01:00(1 vote)
- What he's explaining atis that you vote for the candidate that the elector of your district has to vote for. Then the electors vote for the person that they want to be President (99 times out of 100, the person his district wants). 1:00(12 votes)
- Will America ever get rid of the Electoral College? If so, when?(6 votes)
- I gave a similar answer to an earlier question, but it would, in fact, be detrimental to remove the electoral college, because the states with larger populations would be the only ones needed to solicit votes. And so the president would be elected not by the people , but by the larger states.(2 votes)
- I would only say you don't need a majority of the votes in a given state; just a plurality to receive the electors. This could happen when there are more than two candidates for president who have slates of electors on the ballot. This happened in 1996 in Florida where President Clinton received 48.02% of the vote but had a plurality of the votes according to the official tally. This happens when a 3rd party candidate (Perot that year) receives a large number of votes.(5 votes)
- We have the electoral college so it's fair for every state, and that so not only you and friends are voting, but your state is voting(4 votes)
Video transcript
In the US, we
don't directly vote for our president
or vice president. Instead, we use something
called the Electoral College. So when you show up to vote on
Election Day-- and an election day will happen in November
of an election year. And it could happen as
early as November 2, and it could happen
as late as November 8. And it's going to be the
Tuesday after the first Monday in the month. So it'll be November 2 if the
first Monday is November 1, and it'll be November 8 if the
first Monday is November 7. And so you go on
election day, and you will see a ballot that will have
the presidential candidates. It'll have their parties there. It will have the vice
presidential candidates, and you'll vote for one of them. But in actuality, when you
are voting for Candidate A-- and let's say Candidate A is a
Democrat-- you're not actually voting for Candidate
A. You're actually voting for a slate
of electors who promise to vote
for that candidate. And it isn't in most
states proportional based on what
proportion of people vote for one
candidate or another. In most of the states, except
for Maine and Nebraska, it is a winner take all system. So what do I mean by that? So right here, you have the
breakdown of the United States, by state, of how many electors
words each state gets. And the number of
electors is essentially the number of congressmen
that that state has. For example, California
has two senators. Every state has two senators. California has two senators
and 53 congressmen. And those of you who aren't
familiar with it, every state gets two senators, and the
House of Representatives is dictated by population. California is a huge state, two
senators, 53 representatives. You have Texas, two senators
and it has 32 representatives. You go to Louisiana,
you have two senators and you have seven
representatives. So the electors
per state is based on the total number
of congressmen, so the number of senators plus
the number of representatives. That's what gives us 55 in
California, nine in Louisiana, 34 in Texas. But what's interesting
here is it's a winner take all
system in every state except for Nebraska and Maine. In every other state, if I
get 51% of the vote in Texas, I get all 34 electoral votes
in the Electoral College. If I get 51% or even
if I get 50.1%, just a slight majority of
the votes in California, I will get all of the
votes for California in the Electoral College. And in general, or in
actuality, the president is whoever gets the majority
of the electoral votes in the United States. And right now,
that threshold is, or that magic number--
you could think of it that way-- is 270
Electoral College votes. If no candidate is able to hit
this threshold of 270 Electoral College votes, then it
will go to the US Congress. And in the US Congress,
it's interesting, because it isn't one
congressman, one vote. Or actually, I should say the
US House of Representatives. It'll go to the US House
of Representatives. And it won't be one
representative, one vote. What will happen is
the representatives in each state will
vote together, and each state will
get only one vote. So in a tiebreaker,
the big states really, really lose out,
because in a tiebreaker, Texas will get only one vote. California will get one vote. And Alaska will get one
vote, and Rhode Island will get one vote. So Rhode Island will have just
as much say in a tiebreaker as California will over
who will be president. Then they'll just keep
voting until someone gets a simple majority
of the votes by state. Now, there's one
other twist here. It's that the District of
Columbia-- Washington, DC right over here-- in Congress
gets no representatives. They have no senators, and
they have no representatives. But they do get
three electoral votes when it comes to deciding
who is going to be president. Now, you might already
be getting a sense here that maybe this winner
take all system might lead to some distortions, and the
biggest distortion of all is you can imagine a candidate
who wins the popular vote and loses the election or
loses in the Electoral College. And you might think, well,
gee, how can that happen? And the way to think about
it is, imagine someone-- let's say someone
gets-- with the states that they win, they
get huge majorities. So let's say there's a
conservative candidate, and he or she gets
huge majorities in the states they win. 80% in Texas. They get 80% in Mississippi. They get 80% in Oklahoma. The get huge majorities in
the states that they win. And the states that they
lose, they barely lose. And they barely lose
those really big states. So let's say in Florida, that
candidate gets 49% of the vote. So they had a lot
of votes in Florida, but not enough to win it. The other person,
let's say, gets 51%. All 27 go to the
other candidate. Let's say the same thing
happens in California. That candidate got
49% of the vote. The opponent, let's say,
gets 51% of the vote. All 55 go to California. You get no credit for that 49%. You get no credit for
that 49% in Florida. So in this situation,
this candidate might actually end
up with the majority, barely losing the
states they lose, and trouncing the other
candidate in the states that they win, but despite
that, actually getting fewer Electoral College votes. Now, there's a few
clarifications I want to make, especially ones that have
confused me in the past. One of them is because you have
the same number of Electoral College votes as you have US
representatives plus senators, there's kind of this feeling
that maybe each district sends its own elector
to the state capital to decide who the president is. And it doesn't
quite work that way. So this right here is
the panel of electors for Louisiana in 2008. And you can see right over
here, each of the parties have their own
slate of electors. And these are either decided
by the party themselves, or they're decided by
the candidates' teams. And even though you have
someone here for each district and then you have these
at-large candidates, it's not like-- let's
take a situation. This actually
happened in Louisiana, where John McCain got a
majority of the state. So John McCain and Sarah Palin
got a majority of the state. It's not the case
that-- let's say in the second district,
which is New Orleans, let's say that the second
district, a majority of the people actually
voted for Barack Obama. It is not the case that
Kenneth Garrett in 2008 would have been
the chosen elector. Even though they divide
things by district and they have these
at-large candidates, it is actually a
state-wide election. So they don't look at who
won each of the districts. They just say, look,
John McCain and Sarah Palin won the entire state. So all of these
electors are the ones that are going to go to the
state capital in December and decide who they want
to pledge their vote for. So even if Obama won just the
Second Congressional District, that's not how it's thought
about in the Electoral College. It's just a state-wide election. McCain got the
majority of the state. All of the electors will be
chosen from McCain's slate or from the Republican
Party slate. And then they're going to
go to the state capital. In the case of Louisiana,
it would be Baton Rouge. And they will decide who they
want to pledge their votes to. And all of the electors
in all of the states go to their designated location,
usually the state capital, on the same day. And usually that is
some day in December. And they pick the president,
although by that point, everyone knows who
the president is, because the actual election
was in early November. And people know which
way the votes went and which way the actual
Electoral College votes went. Now, I did mention that
there are two states that don't do this winner take
all, Nebraska and Maine. And in Nebraska and
Maine, when you go vote, it really is by
congressional district. Nebraska has three
congressional districts. So in those three congressional
districts, if one of them goes to the Democrat and
two goes to the Republican, then they'll have one
electoral vote for the Democrat and two for the Republican. And then they have
two at-large votes that are decided the same
way, in kind of the winner take all basis. If you get 51% of the
vote on a statewide basis, you get the two at-large votes. Same thing for
Maine, but Maine has two congressional districts. So two of the congressional
districts could go either way. And then the at-large are
based on a state-wide vote. Now, you could imagine the
other kind of unfair thing here, other than the popular
vote versus the Electoral College vote. You could imagine it makes
some states better represented than others. So if you just divide population
by the number of electors, you see the larger
states, each elector is representing many,
many more people. This is California right here. Each elector is representing
over 600,000 people. And in the smaller states--
this is Wyoming right here-- each elector is representing
under 200,000 people. So in Wyoming,
people are getting kind of three times the
representation as they would in California on
a per capita vote. But what makes it even a
little bit more skewed, because it's winner take all
and the candidates aren't silly and they want to make
sure that they spend their money and their visits
and their time in the most leveragable way, it actually
creates this weird scenario where candidates
will often ignore huge parts of the population. And they ignore them
because those huge parts of the population are unlikely
to swing one way or the other. So for example,
California is very reliably Democratic and Texas
is very reliably Republican. So this right here-- this is
a fascinating graph, at least in my mind-- it shows where
George W. Bush and John Kerry spent the last five
weeks of the 2004 election. Let me close that right there. This top graph shows where
they actually spent their time, so each of these
little hands here is a visit in those
final five weeks. And each of these
dollar signs is a million dollars spent on
marketing and advertising, on ads and whatever
else, in those states. And you can see, California and
Texas, the two biggest states, they didn't spend enough
money to the threshold to get dollar a
sign written there. So they didn't even
spend $1,000,000 on these huge states. They only had a few
visits to California, and Texas had no visits
in the final five weeks. So what happens
is that candidates spend a disproportionate
amount of attention and money in the states that are
more likely to swing one way or another. So the people in
Florida or in Ohio-- so this is Ohio and Florida--
got a ton more attention, especially on a per person
basis, than the people in Texas did.