US government and civics
- The Constitutional Convention
- Constitutional compromises: The Electoral College
- Constitutional compromises: The Three-Fifths Compromise
- The impact of constitutional compromises on us today
- The Constitution of the United States
- Article V and the amendment process
- Article V of the Constitution
- Article VI of the Constitution
- Article VII of the Constitution
- Ratification of the US Constitution: lesson overview
- Ratification of the US Constitution
During the Constitution Convention, the Framers made several compromises, including the method for counting enslaved Africans for the purposes of population (the Three-Fifths Compromise) and the end of the international slave trade.
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- Though I cannot reference a specific timestamp, I do recall you stating that those two excerpts from Article I of the Constitution as part of the "original copy" of the Constitution. Does that mean the Constitution of today is not the same one as they used back in the early days of US history?(3 votes)
- From the author:The reason I make a distinction is that the Constitution has been amended! So in the "original" Constitution, for example, senators were appointed by state legislatures rather than elected by popular vote. (This is in Article I, which established how representation in Congress would work.) That changed with the Seventeenth Amendment, which was ratified in 1913.
I wouldn't want learners to come away thinking that everything the Framers adopted at the time the Constitution was ratified in 1791 is still how things work today!(8 votes)
- were the any "other peoples" besides black slaves(3 votes)
- i have been reading about the 3/5 compromise. What are some of the tragedies of the compromise? How does it effect us today(3 votes)
- Good question! In actuality, the 3/5ths Compromise is no longer in effect today because most, if not all, minorities, including blacks, native Americans, and other groups had been given the right to vote. One outcome, obviously enough at the time, of this compromise was that southern states gained more representation in the House. This, of course, made some of the northern states a bit frustrated, and while there were no direct consequences at the time, violence and other events did come out of this compromise as a result, and the racism that initiated this compromise can still be seen today. Hope this helps!(1 vote)
- what are some of the tragedies of the 3/5 compromise that affect us today(2 votes)
- There are no tragedies of the 3/5 Compromise affecting us today. Today, most people believe all people, either white or color, are full, 100% Americans and are allowed to vote.
Hope that helps!(2 votes)
- If a slave state had an amount of enslaved individuals that was not divisible by five, would the United States Census round this amount up or down? Or would the U.S. Census simply just use regular rounding rules?(2 votes)
- Was "for every 5 enslaved people three of them would be counted" statement in article 1?(2 votes)
- Yes. In Article 1, section 2, the Constitution has a clause where it talks about who gets seats in the house of representatives. Here it says that a state's weight in the House is determined by its number of free people plus three-fifths of "other persons".
You can read the full text here: https://constitutionus.com/(1 vote)
- Why did they choose the number "3/5"?
Was it because the southern delegates threatened not to join the union?(1 vote)
- The number was chosen after compromises of one half by Benjamin Harrison of Virginia, and three fourths by several New Englanders failed to gain sufficient support, Congress finally settled on the three-fifths ratio proposed by James Madison.(2 votes)
- how does the legislative branch represent the population?(1 vote)
- The legislative branch represents the population because the senate contains equal representation from each state, and the House of Representatives ensures that the entire US population is represented equally.(1 vote)
- how long did the 3/5's compromise last?(1 vote)
- The 3/5 Compromise lasted until the end of the Civil War. It was actually the 14th amendment in 1868 that explicitly abolished the 3/5th clause, and established that citizens would have the same weight when being counted for taxation and representation based on population purposes.(1 vote)
- [Instructor] In the last video, we discussed one of the compromises made at the Constitutional Convention, the compromise of the electoral college. In this video, I want to discuss a different compromise. The compromise over slavery. Now, you'll remember that one of the issues that the electoral college was trying to solve was the idea that perhaps the revolution and the concept of democracy had gone too far in the United States and needed to be reined in by the more elite class of American citizens who would be better able to make political decisions. But the flip side of this was whether the revolution had perhaps not gone far enough. In that, it didn't abolish the institution of slavery. Now, the delegates at the Constitutional Convention had sharply divided opinions over slavery. Those who came from southern states tended to be elite white men, who were themselves slave owners their own fortunes deeply tied into the institution of slavery. In the aftermath of the revolution, many northern states began to either outlaw or phase out slavery, recognizing that it was incompatible with the system of government defined around the concept that all men are created equal. But if they were going to replace the articles of confederation, they were going to have to find a way forward. And I would say overall, the slaveowners got their way more than not. Now, one anti-slavery aspect of the constitution was that it outlawed the international slave trade, starting in 1808. So, here in article one, it states that the migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit shall not be prohibited by the congress prior to the year 1808, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation not exceeding ten dollars for each person. So they say, we'll give the international slave trade 20 years and then we'll get rid of it. And indeed, on January 1st, 1808, the international slave trade was outlawed in the United States. So, this middle passage in which enslaved Africans were taken from west Africa and brought across the Atlantic, the end would never be in the United States. But this doesn't mean that they outlawed slavery, and it doesn't mean that they outlawed the domestic slave trade, the trade in slaves between states or within states. In fact, up until about 1850, one of the largest slave markets in the United States was just around the corner from the White House and the US Capitol. So, imagine walking on the streets of Washington DC and seeing these buildings where democratic ideals are enshrined and then going around the corner and seeing women and children and men being sold and families being torn apart. It's a very powerful image. But, although the framers did agree to phase out the international slave trade, they made another compromise that was much more favorable to slaveholders. The Three-Fifths Compromise. Now, you'll remember that in deciding how the legislative branch would represent the population, in the Great Compromise, or Connecticut Compromise, they agreed that in the House of Representatives, the proportion of representatives would be based on population, whereas in the Senate, every state would have two senators regardless of its size. Well, the big question for this is who counts as part of the population? Is it just white men? Or do the large enslaved populations of southern states also count? Now, if you were a southern slave holder, you would have been strongly in favor of counting this population, because it means you get more representation, and thus more power in the House of Representatives. If you were against slavery or from a small state, or both, you would've been bitterly opposed to the notion that people who have no rights as citizens should be counted as citizens to give those states more power in Congress. So, here's what they decided, according to article one. Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other persons. This three fifths of all other persons really means enslaved Africans. And you'll notice that the framers are really talking around slavery. In the part about the international slave trade, they said migration of such persons. Now they say three fifths of all other persons. In fact, the word slavery never appears in the original constitution. So, why do they say three fifths of all other persons or migration of such persons as states think it proper to admit? And honestly, I think the answer to this is that the framers were ashamed of slavery. They were ashamed that this institution existed in a democratic society. They knew that the eyes of the world, the eyes of history, would look at this document and this institution completely sullied the idea of a democratic government. So, as it says here, their agreement was that for every five enslaved people who lived in a state, three of them would be counted for the purposes of population. This is a huge victory for slaveholders, getting more power in Congress for having people who can't vote, who can't be citizens. Why did the delegates of other states allow this to happen? And I think the simple answer is that the constitution would not have been ratified were it not for this compromise, among others. The states of the south were too important to getting that nine out of 13 necessary votes to replace the articles of confederation with this new constitution. So, they made a compromise to make sure that the constitution was ratified and improved. But that compromise would have tremendous consequences for the generations of enslaved people who would live under that system. And for the nation when the Civil War broke out in 1865.