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Lesson 3: Siena, the Late Gothic- Siena in the Late Gothic, an introduction
- Duccio, Maestà
- Duccio, Maestà (quiz)
- Duccio, The Rucellai Madonna
- Duccio, Rucellai Madonna (quiz)
- Duccio, The Virgin and Child with Saints Dominic and Aurea
- Ambrogio Lorenzetti, Palazzo Pubblico frescos: Allegory and effect of good and bad government
- Lorenzetti, Allegory and Effect of Good and Bad Government (quiz)
- Lorenzetti, Presentation of Jesus in the Temple
- Pietro Lorenzetti, Birth of the Virgin
- Simone Martini, Saint Louis of Toulouse
- Simone Martini, Maesta
- Simone Martini, Annunciation
- Simone Martini's Annunciation (quiz)
- Siena in the 1300s
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Ambrogio Lorenzetti, Palazzo Pubblico frescos: Allegory and effect of good and bad government
Ambrogio Lorenzetti, Allegory of Good Government, Effects of Good Government in the City and the Country, and Allegory and Effects of Bad Government in the City and the Country, Siena c. 1337-40, fresco, Sala della Pace (Hall of Peace) also know as the Sala dei Nove (the Hall of the Nine), 7.7 x 14.4 meters (room), Palazzo Pubblico, Siena Speakers: Dr. Beth Harris and Dr. Steven Zucker For more information visit: http://smarthistory.khanacademy.org/the-allegories-and-effects-of-good-and-bad-government.html. Created by Beth Harris and Steven Zucker.
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- Hearing problem paired with chronic ignorance: what shops?? 05:42(12 votes)
- Dr. Harris says "...a hosiery shop. With people selling boots and socks." Hosiery would be socks or perhaps tights and seemingly shoes.(14 votes)
- At, what's treason holding in his hands? 6:10(7 votes)
- From the author:I've read it is a sheep but with the tail of a scorpion.(12 votes)
- The buildings in the cityscape at aroundlook a bit funny. Was linear perspective used to render the city? Was this painted before the invention of perspective in painting? 5:30(3 votes)
- From the author:Its always great to see someone look closely. In this case, we are looking at a painting made around 1337, 80 or so years before linear perspective was developed. See this video for more: http://khan.smarthistory.org/Brunelleschi.html(5 votes)
- At, the angel for Justice is grasping a crown from a man's head. I interpret this to mean that justice is to be carried out against everyone, even royalty. I see it as Justice stripping a nobleman of his royal title as punishment for some sort of wrongdoing. In many ways, this would be one of the most powerful symbols possible pointing to the strength of democratic (republican?) ideals. Did anyone else interpret this the same way? Agree/disagree? 2:22(4 votes)
- I think this part of the figure shows something else. On the left is one kind of justice, "distributiva," which is that concerned with justice between a state and its citizens. On the right is "comutativa," which is that which concerns justice between citizens. The former is something like our present day criminal justice and the latter a little like our present day civil justice. What I see on both sides, is the angels enacting punishment and giving rewards. On the left, the angel looks to be beheading one person and crowning--not removing the crown from--another. This would correspond to crimes against the state and rewards for service to the state. On the right the angel may be taking from one person and giving to another. This would correspond to deciding a civil suit in favor of one party and against another. Based on my reading and observation, that is how I would interpret this part of the allegory.(3 votes)
- () I have always been taught that these "dancing ladies" are singing Ring Around the Rosie to ward off the plague? Is this claim substantiated? 5:50(3 votes)
- "Ring Around the Rosie" has often been associated with this plague, but this fresco predates the Black Death by about 10 years, so these specific dancing ladies don't speak to that. In fact, both Lorenzetti brothers probably died in the Black Death.(3 votes)
- Is there a specific reason why the Allegory and Effects of Bad Government section is in such bad condition? Did people tear it down thinking it was an evil painting?(2 votes)
- It suffered more moisture damage than the others.(1 vote)
- Just how accurate are these or any modern interpretations of art? Isn't it safe to say that any interpretation made of something old will be tainted with modern views/bias?(2 votes)
- Of course, every explanation and interpretation could become very easily biased, and opinionated from a modern point of view. This is actually an issue that many art historians take into mind, and, as a result, they devote more effort in discovering the time period of the artwork they will be commenting on, trying to understand the social and political norms of the time and country, and putting into perspective the larger sociological context, and well as the personal, psychological emotions. This does not mean that every interpretation will be objective and free from a certain vantage point, but it definitely does help, and the videos I have watched here on Khan Academy have been, for the most part, very well-done as concerns modern versus older-period opinions and views.(1 vote)
- Atthey said a purpose for the paintings. How do we know about the exact purpose? 1:13(1 vote)
- Great question. Since the city of Siena kept records about who used which rooms in the Palazzo, we know that the audience for these paintings was the ruling council of the city. If we consider that the frescoes are pretty specific in their symbolic content, we can make a good guess that the intention was to demonstrate the benefits of good government and the pitfalls of bad government.(3 votes)
- Amazing frescos! Does anybody knows about efforts to recover them in full, would this be possible?(2 votes)
- Why is Justice Shown twice? Is it just for emphasis?(1 vote)
- One time Justice is reigning and triumphant, the other timeit it is succumbed to vices in the city, in a way Justice is the most important personification and since her fate is portrayed twice.(2 votes)
Video transcript
(music) ("In The Sky With
Diamonds" by Scalding Lucy) Steven: We're in the Palazzo Pubblico or "town hall" in Siena. Beth: Remember that
Siena was a city state. It was its own country. It had its own government. We think about Italy as a unified country, but back in the 14th century, Italy was divided into city states and Siena was one. It was a very proud republic. Steven: And it was very wealthy through manufacturing and banking. Primarily in fact, well
into the 14th century, the city was known as the "Bankers to the Papacy." And in addition, the city gained a tremendous amount of wealth because it was on the road between France and Rome, and so anybody who was going on a pilgrimage, would stop here and, of course, the city would enjoy the benefits of that tourist trade. There were two main censors of power in the commune that was Siena. That was the church and
that's exemplified by the Duomo at the top of the hill, and then down here, just at the bottom of the field or what is
known as the "Combo", sits the Palazza Pubblico. In one of the main meeting rooms where the rulers of
the city, The Nine met, we have an extraordinary
series of frescoes by Ambrogio Lorenzetti. Beth: And those are meant to remind the rulers of the city
their responsibilities to be good and just. Steven: And the dangers of not doing so, let's describe for a
moment the room itself. On one wall, there is a set of windows, but on the other three,
major frescoes by Lorenzetti. Opposite the windows is the Allegory of Good Government. To the right of that, are the Effects of Good Government in the City and the Country, and then opposite that, is what happens when tyrants take over. Beth: Oh, and it's ugly. Steven: Very bad. Beth: (laughs) Steven: So let's start with the Allegory of Good Government. Beth: And Allegory means "figures that stand in for ideas." We might want to note first that the door where The Nine would enter is right beneath the
Personification of Justice who sits looking up to another figure who personifies Wisdom. Justice is doing just that; She's meting out Justice. In her hands, she's got scales with an angel on either side. On her left, she metes out justice in the form of a reward. On the right, as punishment. Steven: And that is quite the punishment, an angel in the right scale is actually cutting the head off somebody who clearly was guilty. Beth: But it's important that she looks up to Wisdom. Steven: Now you'll notice that there is a small cord that goes from each of those scales down to a seated figure who has in her lap a plane ... That is the kind of tool that a carpenter would use
to smooth rough spots. Or in this case, to create a certain degree of equality among the different levels of society. That plane has the words "Concordia" written on it and it's just at about that point that those two cords from the angels in the scales come together and are handed to the figure in a blue robe. That cord then winds its way through all of the figures who are standing at the bottom; figures that are meant to represent the people of Siena. They are all held in line, held in check by these cords that come
from Justice herself. If we move to the head of that line, we can see the cord rises and it's held by the largest figure. That is the personification of the good commune. Beth: This figure is surrounded by various Virtues. Steven: On the left you can see Peace. In fact the hall in which we stand is called "The Hall of
Peace" named after her. Beth: She's reclining. She's relaxed. It's almost as if
everything else was working, if all of these other figures; Justice, Concord, Fortitude, Prudence, if they're all working, there's Peace and there's nothing much for her to do. Steven: She relaxes, by the way, on a cushion, but if you look under the cushion, you can see black forms. That is meant to be armor. Originally it would have been silver, but it's oxidized over time. So she's taken off her armor and she can now relax. As you said, if all of these allegorical figures are doing their job, then the city is at peace. Prosperity can wane and there is a very clear image of that in the fresco on the right. This is the effects of good government in the city and in the country. Beth: And we see the walls
of the city of Siena. Steven: We should caution that probably the first few feet on the left are a restoration and are not by Ambrogio. This is one of the most ambitious, perhaps the largest landscape and cityscape certainly, that
existed in the medieval, I can't even think of
a Renaissance painting that is more ambitious than this. Beth: And it's subject to secular, it's not a biblical scene. That's important at this time when the vast majority of art made would have been biblical. Steven: So let's take a
look at the cityscape. What we have is a place where commerce can flourish, where there is plenty, where there is no privation, where there is justice and art and culture. We have a kind of utopia
and it's remarkable because if you think about
the history of Paradise and the way that it's represented, Paradise is always seen in nature, and yet here we have the earliest example that I can think of where Paradise exists in an urban context. That is where man is in
control of his society and can actually produce through careful governing an environment where humanity can flourish. I love architecture and it's pretty clear that Ambrogio loved architecture, too. Beth: He did and it's really packed with people and it feels bustling like a city where the citizens are engaged in commerce and are well-to-do. We see something that looks like a hoosiery shop with people
selling boots and socks. Steven: In the foreground, probably the largest group of figures, are a group of women dancing in wonderfully elaborate costume. This is clearly symbolic. Beth: So this is likely some allegory about the peace and prosperity that comes from good government. Steven: What I love is the fact that the city is open to our gaze. You can look into all these shop windows. You can see a lecture, perhaps a school with somebody at a lecturn and students listening actively. Beth: And a place where you can buy ham and meat next door [unintelligible]. Steven: There are people going about their daily activities and if we look up, we can see faces in some of the windows. My favorite passage, you can actually see construction workers who are actively building the city. Beth: I love this idea that the leaders of Siena would be able to look at this and see, "If I do my job right, this
is what my city will be." Steven: That was taken
so seriously, you know. The Nine were only allowed to be in office for two months because there was such a fear of corruption. So every two months, each of the members of the city council would be exhanged for another member of the aristocracy. Beth: So let's look at the effect of good government in the countryside. This looks like the
landscape around Siena. There's a real sense of the observation of the natural world which is so unusual and new for this time. Steven: And if you look carefully, you can see some figures on horseback that are just leaving the city. These are obviously wealthy aristocracy. In fact, one holds a falcon. They're going out hunting. As you go a little further, you can see a peasant who is walking into the city with a pig, clearly bringing that pig to market. There are donkeys that are bringing grain from the fields. In the distance, there is a kind of combination of both the season of spring and the season of summer. We see both the sowing of the fields and harvesting going on. So when you're looking at the allegory of good government, to your right is the Effects of Good Government in the country and the city. But opposite that is Bad Government. That's on the left wall, so you have this notion of right of justice of the good, and you have this notion of the left of evil of having gone astray. The mean figure that is in opposition to justice, if you look carefully, looks just like a devil with horns, fangs, but in back of that male figure, is the words "Tyranny" and so we have Justice and Tyranny who are in opposition. Tyranny is surrounded not by Virtues, but by Vices, and you
can see for instance; Avarice, Vainglory ... Down below is a bound figure, and here we see sadly Justice, who is no longer ruling the city. This fresco is in very poor condition, but we can just make out a series of criminal acts. All of this is enclosed within an architecture that is
the architecture of war. We can see a [unintelligible] wall that speaks of defense and attack. Beyond the allegorical figures, we can see a city, but this is not a city
that is still being built. This is a city that's being destroyed. The walls have holes. The windows have been broken and there's a sense of fear
among the citizenry. Beth: In fact, I see below, a woman being carried off by two men in a very menacing scene, and below them, a fallen wounded figure. Steven: To the left of the city, we see fields, but these
fields have been burned. We can see the flames of houses on fire and it is a place of want, of neglect and of fear. In fact, the word "terror"
rides over the landscape. So this room becomes a very clear message, both a promise and a threat, to the government of Siena. It is an extraordinary expression of the way in which morality can be portrayed in the most direct sense in the place that it's needed most. Beth: What's really interesting to me is that when we walk to the center of this room and look through a doorway, we see Simone Martini's
Maesta of the Virgin based on Duccio's Maesta which is in the cathedral. Steven: So the Virgin Mary, reigning queen of Siena, taking her place beside the allegorical symbol of Justice, both seated, both enthroned. Beth: And this idea that
the Virgin favors Siena, and in favoring Siena
has given it a republic that the government of
Siena must now protect. (music) ("In The Sky With
Diamonds" by Scalding Lucy)