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Donatello, Saint Mark

Donatello, St. Mark, 1411-13, marble, 93" (236 cm), Orsanmichele, Florence Speakers: Dr. Steven Zucker and Dr. Beth Harris. Created by Beth Harris and Steven Zucker.

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  • leaf green style avatar for user Sabīne Puste
    Is that a quatrefoil on Saint Marks gospels at ? I remember this shape form video "Brunelleschi & Ghiberti, The Sacrifice of Isaac". Why is it so important to Florence? Does it have symbolic meaning?
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  • duskpin ultimate style avatar for user Fred12
    who invented this Gothic movement and why has it become so popular at this epoque?
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    • leafers seedling style avatar for user pierrehenri.exbrayat
      "Gothic" was called "French style". It was invented by a man called "l'Abbé Suger" for his baptistry of Saint Denis near Paris, from 1132 to 1144. He was a powerful man and the regent of the kingdom. He was trying to find a solution to build higher an luminous buildings. Then, he finds the solution :
      - intercepting ribs
      - equilateral arches
      - flying buttress

      Gothic style was developed inside the kingdom and different solutions were found according to the particularities of each regions.
      Then, Gothic been so popular starting from the 1200's because of the importance of French Kingdom and Saint Louis and raised as "international style" in the 1300's.
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Ina
    At they say that Ghiberti's St. Stephen and other statues lack expression, and are more generic in a way, compared to St. Mark. Wouldn't it be because of the medium? As far as I know Ghiberti's bronze statues were cast in one go, while Donatello's stone sculptures could be developed much more carefully? Also, St. John the Baptist by Ghiberti is, at least to me, extremely expressive and detailed in the face. Can St. Stephen really be seen as a representative example of Ghiberti's ability as a sculptor in comparison to Donatello? I think St. George by Donatello is just as limited in expression as Ghiberti's St. Stephen because of their youth, and more superficially, due to the lack of detailed, dramatic facial hair.
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    We have learned in videos way back in the ancient section that sculpture made from marble and the like would have been painted in many brilliant colors...would this also hold true for the sculpture coming out of the renaissance?
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    • leafers ultimate style avatar for user amateur
      If I remember correctly, Renaissance sculpture was not painted. I suspect that this was the case because the ancient statues which were unearthed at that time and heavily influenced Renaissance sculpture, had already lost their coat of paint. As the techniques we now use to detect traces of pigment (like ultraviolet light) were not available in the Renaissance, they probably simply did not know that the Greeks and Romans painted their sculpture. So, when they imitated Ancient sculpture, they imitated the ancient sculpture they knew: pristinely white statues.
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  • hopper happy style avatar for user Sriya Kasumarthi
    how old was donatello when he created saint mark
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  • piceratops ultimate style avatar for user Craig
    How did Donatello gain access to information on classical sculpture? Would he have had books on the techniques of Greek and Roman sculpture to inspire him? Or would his inspiration come purely from his own studies on classical statues?
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    so why were [people obsessed with godly figures?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Brett
    Was this sculpted from a single block of marble?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Ron Keller
    Saint Mark, and other sculptures, were intended to be displayed in the niches, which are some 10-12 feet above the sidewalk. So, I believe that the artist would have taken into account the perspective the viewer would have, tailoring the work to be viewed from 10 feet below. First, is my assumption correct, and if so, can you notice distortions when you view them from a relatively level perspective inside the building?
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  • duskpin ultimate style avatar for user Миленa
    Why did the 15th century Florentines want to revive antiquity? Why did they scorn the culture of the Middle Ages?
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Video transcript

(jazzy music) Male: We're on the second floor of Orsanmichele and here, one after the other, are all the monumental sculptures that had once filled the niches outside. Female: It's important to remember that Orsanmichele is in many ways the place that the Renaissance began in Florence. It began in this space that had both a secular function as a granary but also a spiritual function. Male: It's also a church. Female: These were sculptures commissioned by the guilds and so it makes sense that these first Renaissance sculptures would be commissioned not by a church, but by guilds, by these secular organizations. Male: Okay, so let's take one as an example. One of the important guilds in the city were the linen workers. We're standing in front of St. Mark, which is this monumental sculpture by Donatello. We know it's for the linen workers because he is standing on a pillow presumably made of linen. Female: Right. If we think about him outside in that niche and imagine walking by him, you could almost imagine this way that you would relate to him; that you could engage with him right on the streets of Florence, this sense of civic pride of bringing beauty to the city. Male: There really is a sense of immediacy here. This is Donatello's brilliance. Here we have a figure that is, first of all, reviving the Classical in really important ways. This is a figure that is an incredible early expression of contrapposto that hasn't been seen with this kind of understanding for 1,000 years. Female: If we look at so many of the other figures that were created for Orsanmichele, they still have that Gothic sway to the hips. What Donatello give us instead is something that looks very much like an ancient Roman sculpture. Male: Look, for instance, at the hips that push to his right. Over the engaged leg, you have the cloth falling in perfect unbroken lines, almost as if that's the floating of a Classical column. It's on the other side that you can see the knee breaking the cloth. You can really get a sense, even though it's under this heavy drapery, you still understand the movement of the body, the turn of the spine, the turn of the hips, the axis of the knees. Female: Donatello's borrowing this directly from ancient Greek and Roman sculpture. There's no other place he could have goten this from. The figure, because of the contrapposto, really looks alive. He looks like he can truly walk. His feet are firmly planted on the ground. The sense that the weight is shifting gives the sense that he could walk at any second. We have an idea of sculpture beginning to be separate from the architecture, even though he was in a niche and he was intended for the architecture. The contrapposto, the sense of movement, gives us a sense of his autonomy from the architecture. Male: But it's also the authenticity of his experience. So it's a revival of the Classical, not only in terms of the mechanics of the body, but also in terms of the experience of the individual. You said a moment ago we would walk down the street and see this figure in a niche. There would be an immediate kind of relationship. Yes, that's true, but at the same time he's seeing further. He's also seeing past us. Female: Right. It's this bringing together of the spiritual and the human so close at this moment in the early 15th century in Florence. Male: Look at the face. There's a kind of intelligence, there's a kind of internal focus, there's a kind of awareness that is just piercing. He's thinking, he's reflecting on the Gospels that he holds so easily at his side and perhaps he's about to speak them to us. There is this way in which our eyes are drawn up through the plainer quality of the drapery to the more focused handling of the stone near the beard, near his eyes, look at that furrowed brow, so that he is somebody that we can understand and approach in some real way. Female: You know, the sculptures like the ones by Ghiberti that are more in that high Gothic style, the face is often more plain and less individualized, and our focus goes on those decorative forms in the drapery. Male: It's distracted, in a sense. Female: Exactly, so we don't have that human to human connection that we're getting here. Here, instead of focusing on the drapery, although the drapery is fabulous, we look directly at the face and we see the furrowed brow, the eyes that gaze out, the beard that animates his face and makes it seem even more thoughtful, his receding hairline. Then we look down at his hands and we can see that Donatello has clearly been thinking about human anatomy. Those are not just generalized shapes for hands but a sense of bone and muscle and veins. Then down to the feet firmly planted on the ground. When the Florentines looked up at St. Mark as they walked, they looked up at him and saw a figure that ... Male: It ennobled. Female: That ennobled them. They looked at St. Mark and could have a sense of their own profound dignity as human beings, as Florentines in the early 15th century. In a way, St. Mark is a mirror. Male: Isn't that exactly what this notion of civic pride that was so tied in to 15th century Florence was really about? This notion that we can rise to our own ideals. Female: We can be like the ancient Romans and be virtuous and ... Male: Shake off the corruption of the Medieval and in a sense return to the greatest that man had once known. (jazzy music)