Medieval Europe + Byzantine
Art has been a war trophy for centuries, like the Horses of San Marco, seized multiple times. Napoleon Bonaparte notably took art from conquered lands, aiming to make Paris a cultural hub. However, after his defeat, many stolen pieces were returned, sparking discussions about art repatriation. Horses of San Marco (ancient Greek or Roman, likely Imperial Rome), 4th century B.C.E. to 4th century C.E., copper alloy, 235 x 250 cm each (Basilica of San Marco, Venice), an ARCHES video Speakers: Dr. Beth Harris and Dr. Steven Zucker.
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- Has Turkey ever asked for the statues back?(4 votes)
- On occasion, Turkey has asked for things back, and refused to loan other things until it gets 'em. Read through this for an imperialist take on the entire topic.
- This may be a dumb question but, why were most sculptures naked-(3 votes)
- The human body is beautiful, don't you agree? Artists wanted to show beauty. Why let clothes get in the way?(5 votes)
- The origins of the quadriga are attributed to Lysippos, although it is also disputed. What is the most compelling evidence attributable to their origins? It certainly makes for an incredible history the horses have witnessed if they went from Alexander's Greece to Nero's Rome then to Constantinople etc. We live in an age where we are educated and aware enough to try to prevent looting and plunder, but there seems no greater evidence of humanity's need to plunder and take prizes for victory in warfare than these beautiful beasts.(5 votes)
- i know this is a dumb question. when did people start making art?(3 votes)
- The lessons on "prehistoric art" might be very useful to you. I suggest that you go further into the course and "do" those.(2 votes)
- Do the people in the video go to these places?(3 votes)
- Why would some people look for art work to take with them where the live or where they are going to?(1 vote)
- Art is both beautiful and valuable. Perhaps they appreciated the art, perhaps they wanted to sell it, or perhaps they took it in order to punish those whom they had conquered, kind of like raping daughters.(2 votes)
- This is a pretty dumb question, but why are these horses not brightly colored?(1 vote)
- They have been out of doors in a polluted city for hundreds of years. They are naturally weathered by the conditions of their display.(1 vote)
- Triumphal Arch I am not gonna lie it looks beautiful the horses of San Marco are beautiful and the art pieces are so pretty the war wasnt pretty thou so many indecent people died for nothing and my question was Napoleon bad our good?(1 vote)
[music] For thousands of years during times of war, art has been seized by the victor and used as trophies of their victory. -The idea of "to the victor go the spoils" this goes back thousands of years. -One of the most fascinating examples of this are the four horses that have come to be known as the Horses of San Marco, and these horses served as war booty at least twice, maybe even three times. -And this makes them a great case study for talking about works of art seized during times of war. -Let's go see them. We're in the Basilica of Saint Mark in Venice. The church is itself a jewel, but it contains real treasures as well. -Up on the second floor now are four horses. So these were in Constantinople, and when they were brought here to Venice, they were put outside this Cathedral, but today copies are there. -The detail on the horses is magnificent, the understanding of the horses movement. -You can see their veins, their muscles rippling under their skin. -And look at the way that their heads turn in relationship to each other. Originally they would have been gilded; they would have gleamed with gold. -And pulled a chariot. -And from the beginning, they were associated with the idea of conquest, of empire, of the Emperor, of victory. Let's just quickly review the story of the horses. We think that the horses may go all the way back to ancient Greece. In fact there’s a tradition that states that they were produced by the famous Hellenistic sculptor Lysippos. Now we don't know that for certain, but it's a story that's long been attached to these horses. Well and that's because of their incredible beauty that one immediately associated them with one of the greatest ancient Greek Hellenistic sculptors. They may also date from a slightly later period from ancient Rome. -By the early 13th century however, we’re on firmer footing. We know that the horses were in Constantinople until at least 1204. This was a year that Western European crusaders attacked the city of Constantinople. -The crusaders intended to liberate Jerusalem, but instead they attacked Christians in Constantinople in order to pay off a debt to the Venetians. -And brought the horses as well as a lot of other treasure back to Venice. -Now, the horses and remained in Venice for more than 500 years. -We're in Paris at the Musée du Louvre looking at a triumphal arch that was built by Napoleon Bonaparte. And if we look closely at that triumphal arch, we'll see copies of the horses of San Marco. Now, we should say that the original horses once stood here. And we'll get to that story. -In the late 18th century, a young French general, Napoleon Bonaparte, was leading brilliant military campaigns across Europe. -Now this is shortly after the French Revolution when France has overturned the monarchy, and so we have a new period emerging. The French Revolutionary Army took unprecedented amounts of art and manuscripts from across Europe. -Napoleon even brought experts with him on his military campaigns to help him identify works of art that he could bring back to Paris. And the idea was to make Paris the new Rome, the cultural capital of Europe. -And the seizing of artwork was actually written into the treaties that the defeated rulers were forced to sign with Napoleon. -And so there was this veneer of legality, but what Napoleon was doing was what victorious generals had always done which is the idea of "to the victor go the spoils." As the conquering general, you have a right, traditionally, to spoils, to the artwork of the defeated country. -And while this was a common practice since ancient times, there have been important voices against looting or at least profligate looting, for example, Cicero. -But what emerges during this period is a new understanding of works of art and their place as booty during wartime. -And one of the reasons for that is that Napoleon seized the most important art in Europe for one location. For the museum we're standing in, the Louvre, he sees, for example, the Laocöon, the Dying Gaul, some of the most famous paintings, Ruben's Descent from the Cross. -The Apollo Belvedere, which was seen as perhaps the greatest ancient sculpture of all time. Keep in mind that what Napoleon intended to do was to create an encyclopedic museum, a museum where works of art from all the nations of Europe could be seen. But he was also intending that this museum be a statement of his military brilliance and a testament to the brilliance and power of France. -Having the most important works of art from Europe in your capital made you the leader of Europe. We may not think of works of art as having that kind of power anymore, but they did in the 18th and 19th century. Let's recapture for a moment the tremendous excitement that existed in Paris when the works of art finally made their way to the Louvre. A grand procession into the city of Paris was organized to celebrate this triumph. Interestingly, the only works of art to be uncreated and to be displayed in this procession were the horses of San Marco. -And to celebrate his military victories, Napoleon commissioned the very arch we’re standing and looking at from the Louvre. And he had the horses from San Marco placed on top of this arch, the Arc de Triomphe du Carrousel. -Of course, seizing works of art created enormous despair throughout Europe, but even in France, there were dissenting voices. There was a petition from several dozen artists including the great painter Jacques-Louis David protesting Napoleon's seizure of works of art. Now, of course, Napoleon is defeated in 1815, and immediately the countries that had works of art stolen from them began to demand their return. Now, it's not traditional to send back works of art in this case. -The Duke of Wellington, the general who was most responsible for defeating Napoleon, came from Great Britain which had had no works of art stolen by France, but he looked on the great treasures that had been amassed at the Louvre, and decided to do something extraordinary. He decided to return the works to their countries of origin. -He could have said that those works now belong to Britain, and in fact there were members of the government who considered at least selecting some of them to bring back to England, but in the end about half of them were returned their country of origin. -And Wellington even took the extraordinary step of paying for the cost of repatriating works to the Vatican since the Pope didn't have the money on hand to do it himself. -What's really fascinating is that since not all of the works were returned, some of them are here still in the Louvre today. For example, works by artists like Cimabue and Giotto. -So this is a really good reminder that when we walk through museums, there are really complicated and often fascinating stories behind the way that a work of art came to a museum. And it's interesting to think about what a museum decides to display on the plaque beside the painting, and what it decides to leave off. Now we want to end with a quote from an architectural theorist who really began to think through the legal and ethical issues of removing works of art from their place of origin. He wrote "The museum which is Rome "is also composed fully as much of places, "of sites, of mountains, of quarries, "of ancient roads, of the placing of ruined towers, "of geographical relationships, "of the inner connections of all of these objects to each other, "of memories, of local traditions, "of still prevailing customs, "of parallels and comparisons which can only be made in the country itself." That's such a lovely argument for repatriating works of art to their country of origin. And the horses of San Marco were repatriated, but they were repatriated back to Venice where they had been for hundreds of years even if it wasn't their original home. [music]