Europe 1800 - 1900
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- Goya, The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters (quiz)
- Goya, The Family of Charles IV
- Goya, And there's nothing to be done (from the Disasters of War)
- Art historical analysis (painting), a basic introduction using Goya's Third of May, 1808
- Goya, Third of May, 1808
- Goya, The Third of May
- Goya, Saturn Devouring His Son
Francisco de Goya, Third of May, 1808, 1814, oil on canvas, 266 x 345.1 cm (Museo del Prado. Madrid). Created by Beth Harris and Steven Zucker.
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- I am intrigued by the large lantern used to illuminate the scene. Is it meant as a tacit criticism of the Enlightenment? It is telling that the French, the champions of the Enlightenment, are in the dark and committing an act of barbarity.(10 votes)
- I feel like the lantern is being used to display spiritual light, especially since the source can be seen 'bathing' the man who represents a crucified Jesus Christ. My answer comes from an article on here that explains the symbolism in the painting.(5 votes)
- Did Goya really make a reference to stigmata on the hands of the man in white? I can only see an indentation in one hand, where we are shown a close-up, but not in the other hand.(8 votes)
- The stigmata are a famous symbol throughout art history, so the man in the white's cross-like position combined with the palm-indents, the focus placed on him, and the circumstances of his death, probably mean the indents are stigmata.
I found a close-up (https://agaudi.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/francisco-de-goya-el-3-de-mayo-de-1808.jpg), and on his left hand there is a subtle little line to the right of the center of the palm.(6 votes)
- What is the painting called that shows up on0:49?(2 votes)
- That information is always given at the end of the video. In this case, its Ruben's Elevation of the Cross.(4 votes)
- I know the painting focuses on the man in white but i cant help noticing is there a contrast between the two sides of the painting? I notice the 1st and 3rd soldiers heads seem to be more looking towards the ground than the sights of the gun which gives me an impression of human guilt while following their orders. and across from them is the man next to the white shirt who's eyes are looking up above the soldiers.(3 votes)
- You read the painting well, and interpret it cogently. Keep in mind that it is a piece of propaganda painted by someone on the side of those being executed, and he painted into the executioners the gestures and feelings that he thought they should have. You are seeing one artist's interpretation of an event, made years after the facts it portends to convey. This isn't a photograph or a video recording. Nonetheless, I think you do well.(2 votes)
- So, was Goya successful in creating in viewers the emotion of sympathy, empathy, fear and destitution he probably envisioned?(0 votes)
- My advice is look at the works, and try to decide for yourself. Questions like this are always subjective.(7 votes)
- How do painters manage the balance between their own imagination, opinions, and accuracy of historical contents?
For example, in the engraving of the Boston Massacre by Paul Revere, the captain of the soldiers is obviously ordering them to shoot at the crowd. However, we do not do not know that whether the captain actually ordered the soldiers to shoot at the crowd or not.
So, is Goya's painting also based on uncertain historical contents?(1 vote)
- There is no requirement that painters "balance" imagination, opinions and accuracy. No requirement at all. In that way, painters are similar to politicians, some of whom eschew any idea of balance, accuracy and truth.(5 votes)
- at1:50...This painting is very evocative. Immediatley I felt the white shirted man was raising his hands in defiance as if to say "you can kill me but you cannot kill my spirit." What about the figure just to the right of him, he appears not to have the same fear that the others have. Could he be the betrayer ? The judas of the group and what about the figure to the right of him...he seems very different and to almost be listening to the betrayer. Perhaps he is giving the reward ? Inre to the figure in white he seems to convey that the spirit of man will bear his infirmity(in the case mortality) but a wounded spirit who can bear ? This is the first time I have seen this work and I am captivated by it .(2 votes)
- I do understand the importance of bringing in historical context to the artwork considering that it was a portrayal, done by Goya, of the French attacking the Spanish under Napolean's reign. Without this historical context the analysis would not be including much of the analysis needed. I thought, on the otherhand, that in the previous video ("How to do .. analysis..") it said to not take into account the historical context or symbolism, but to just take into account what's in the painting (artwork).(2 votes)
- At10:39you talk about what the artists decision about the scale of the work means. I would add that, thinking practically as an artist myself, I determine the scale of any piece I start on how much detail I want to put into a piece and that maybe considering that aspect could help inform the viewer as well. If it's a large topic that I want to tell a greater story with, I'll go big.(2 votes)
There are different methods that art historians use to get at meaning in a historical sense. What did the work of art mean to the artist? What did it mean to the culture for which it was originally made, and how did that meaning change up to the present moment? One of the first things you can do when you approach a work of art is to begin describing it. Normally we walk past the work of art quickly, but if you stay with it and interrogate it, just on what art historians call its formal properties, you can learn a lot. Formal properties refers just to the physical object itself, and formal analysis is really based on a simple act that is looking closely. Another thing you can start thinking about is the subject matter; the content of the work of art. Is it telling a story from mythology, from history, from the Bible? And then when it comes to modern art, sometimes that's a little more difficult because sometimes there is no overt story. And then the last and, perhaps, even most important way that art historians try to understand a work of art is to think about the context in which that work of art was originally embedded. What was the world like when this work of art was made? What was it made for. Who asked to have it made? What was happening politically, economically, socially at that moment? So let's begin with Goya's 3rd of May 1808. Now, when I walk up to a painting, very often the first thing I'll try to do is understand the painting formally. So what decisions did the artist make? Well, for one thing, the arts decided to make a large painting. That says something about the artist's ambition for the work of art. And it's important to note that this is oil paint on canvas. Substantial works of art were oil on canvas. This is not watercolour. It's not a sketch. The next thing that I notice is the extreme contrast of light and dark, and the way that the artist has almost divided the canvas into these zones of light and dark. So scale, material, and value—that is the use of light and dark—are all formal qualities. But so is composition. Think about it as stage direction. Where is the artist placing his actors? What is their relationship to the landscape? What is their relationship to one another? What is the artist asking me to look at? What is he drawing my eye to? And clearly, in this painting, it's that figure in white with his hands outstretched above him. Goya makes it very clear that we're looking at that man who's about to be shot. Those guns are pointing right to him. But the composition also reinforces that by the artist placing that figure against a hillside so that he is entrapped there. Our eye is led down to the gunman by the horizon of the hill, and then our eye shoots back to the left, right back to that bright white shirt. The gunmen form a receding diagonal line, creating an illusion of depth. When we talk about paintings, we're looking at works of art that are flat, and one of the key questions we can ask is: is the artist creating an Illusion of space on that flat surface? And one of the ways that Goya is doing that is by using this diagonal line that appears to recede into space. He also reinforces depth in a number of other ways. He does it with light. The brightest elements are forward. Things become dimmer as we move back. The level of detail diminishes as we move into the distance. And finally, the artist also uses scale. So the buildings in the distance are small in comparison to the men in the foreground. But he's also using light and dark as modeling or chiaroscuro to create a sense that the forms, the figures in this case, are themselves three-dimensional, and you can see that really well, for instance, in the man's right hand. There you can see the fleshy quality of his thumb, where there's a white highlight, and you can see shadow that is used to trace the contours of that thumb. And so you have this grounding in space, this volume, and all of these are formal elements. And if we want to stay on this topic of creating an illusion of space, an artist can also do that by using foreshortening—that is creating the illusion that forms are coming directly out towards us, or receding back into the space of the painting. A great example of that is the dead figure in the foreground who's fallen toward us after being shot, his arms outstretched; and you can see his body move back into space. So the artist has distorted the body, made it too short, but we see that accurately in the illusionistic depth that the artist has created. We see that Goya is using a lot of earth tones: browns and golds, and it's nighttime. You talked about the radical contrast between light and darkness, and the real reduction of colour in this painting helps to reinforce that. Another important thing to think about is the brushwork. Now seeing the hand of the artist pushing paint across the canvas is possible because of oil paint. The energy of the brushwork can activate the surface of the canvas and give it a sense of power and motion. For example if we look at the white shirt, the brushstrokes are not careful. It looks sketchy. It looks quick, and it gives us a sense the man has just raised his arms, that that shirt is actually still in motion. Look at the facial features of the man. His eyebrows are raised up almost too much, but because the brushwork is so loose, we forgive that. It becomes a kind of gesture. That speaks of yet another decision the artist is making. The simplified forms of the face. The simplified forms of the neck, and then the hair. The artists is not spending a huge amount of time finishing this, making it perfect. And there's a really different quality that results from that kind of brushy sense of spontaneity. For me, that visible brushwork makes me feel the presence of the artist in front of the canvas. There is a sense of immediacy, as opposed to an artist who might create a very finished line, which we might see, for instance, in the neoclassical tradition, where the figures seem sculptural and they seem timeless. This is very much of a particular moment, and how appropriate this is of a particular day: the 3rd of May 1808. We have a man about to be shot. Figures on the ground in front of him who have just been murdered. And I see another figure holding his head, who's next in this line of fire. Goya has taken this static flat object, this oil painting, and he has suggested depth and the passage of time. We could also notice that the figure in white and many of the other figures, we see their faces. They're human. We have empathy for them; whereas the soldiers are lined up with their backs toward us, and we have the sense of a machine-like firing squad confronting these deeply human figures. We've now entered into the subject matter, into the content of the painting. Well it's hard to keep those things entirely separate, because as we're talking about the formal elements, we can see figures who are victims and figures who are the perpetrators of the violence. So what is the painting about? The narrative and what's actually being conveyed in terms of the unfolding of an action? Subject matter can be very closely tied to the historical context, and this is a perfect example. Napoleon Bonaparte is on the throne in France and is asserting his power throughout Europe, including Spain. Now Napoleon, through some complex machinations, is able to march into Spain, is able to depose the king of Spain, Charles the fourth, and is ultimately able to make his brother the king of Spain. But the people of Spain don't take this sitting down. There's a popular uprising against the French occupation of Spain. And that event is just the day before, May 2nd 1808, and in retribution, the French then take a series of innocent people from the city of Madrid, line them up outside of the city, and shoot them. And that's what this painting commemorates: a group of innocent Spanish people being brutally murdered by Napoleon's Army. Goya has given us an innocent figure with his arms raised in a position that is reminiscent of Christ on the cross; an innocent martyr brutally murdered. The formal elements are here in support of Goya's position regarding this event. This is one of the great examples of Romanticism: this moment in literature, in music, and in painting when emotional expression came to the fore; when painting was no longer about abstract ideas, but very much about a kind of emotional response and a more individualized response. Here we have someone being killed for no good reason; the Brutal facts of how inhumane human beings can be to one another. And one of the ways that he conveys that message that is that content is through the use of symbolism. Goya has appropriated a historical symbolic language. If we look, for instance, at the man in the white shirt, he is a martyr–a martyr to Spain—and in fact, his arms are raised up as if he's hanging from the cross; and if we look very closely, we can see small indentations in his palms that are a reference to the holes that Christ received on the cross, known as the Stigmata. So Goya is using this historical tradition in painting for the representation of this modern event, and painting that event from this subjective modern viewpoint. This isn't about a message from the State or the Pope or a person in position of power. This is very much Goya's point of view, and that speaks to the economic environment in which this painting was made. This was not a painting that was made for a patron. Somebody did not commission this painting. But this was a painting that Goya felt was important to paint, and so he did. It is so clearly about the horrors and the brutality of war. The painting and our understanding of it is so much more enriched by understanding its original historical context, and the meaning that it had for the artist and for his world in the early 19th century.