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Are hedge funds bad?

Thinking about how hedge funds are different from other institutions. Created by Sal Khan.

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  • leaf green style avatar for user Ernie Cruz
    What are notional assets? Are they related to derivatives?
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    • piceratops ultimate style avatar for user Carlos
      Yes, notional assets are related to derivatives. For example if you buy a futures contract, say for crude oil, you pay just enough to meet your broker's margin requirement (can be around 2-10%). Each subsequent day you hold the contract, you receive or pay the change in value. So if you buy $1,000 worth of crude oil futures, you might only put down $20. If it goes up 1% the next day, the broker deposits $10 in your account. If it went down you would need to pony up $10 or the broker would automatically sell and close out your position. So the notional value here is $1,000, but you've only used $20 of your own capital to do this trade.

      In the case of Long Term Capital Management, go read When Genius Failed, it's a great explanation of what happened
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  • blobby green style avatar for user chrisclarke297
    If there is secrecy regarding what the 100 million dollars are going to how are the investors able to study and analyze the stock's trajectory and whether or not it is profitable to invest in the first place ?
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    • blobby green style avatar for user Chris Burgess
      What stock trajectory are you asking about? Do you mean, analyze the fund?

      When you invest in a hedge fund, you're really investing in the management team's strategy. They will give you a general overview of their strategy and what the fund's goals are, so you can determine if it's a good fit for your personal investment goals. For example, a "global macro long-short portfolio manager" is seeking to build a portfolio using assets from all asset classes (equities, bonds, currencies, derivatives, etc), using a macro-oriented top-down approach (viewing macro economic trends and events in fundamental analysis, overlaying price action and technical analysis over that, and generally taking positions 3-6 months in advance), and executing trades through long-short spreads (meaning, going long one asset and short another asset at the same time, and making money on the difference -- this is one simple way that hedge funds can hedge out risks in a trade).

      They will also usually provide to you a risk-adjusted return target, meaning what return they hope to achieve on a risk-adjusted basis.

      You can essentially go fund shopping until you find one that meets your needs as far as risk tolerance and overall strategy. You are correct in that they won't disclose to you specifically what their positions are at any point in time, but they will tell you what the overall strategy for the portfolio is, and you can find one that meets your needs.
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  • female robot ada style avatar for user M Brown
    At , I understand that everyone involved with Hedge Funds need to understand the processes and complexity of a Hedge Fund and have the resources to contribute to it; however, I can't help feeling like Hedge Funds are just another country club mentality. How does the everyday person grow wealth when so much of it is a language only the "sophisticated" understand? I understand that there are certainly more methods of investment to grow wealth out there, but how do one develop trust with someone to manage one's money when that language is inaccessible to them anyway? It's baffling.
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    • male robot hal style avatar for user Andrew M
      The everyday person should stay away from hedge funds entirely. Invest your long-term money in low-cost, highly diversified index funds. Don't ever pay any individual to choose particular stocks for you to buy and sell. Ever.
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  • male robot hal style avatar for user Pedro Felipe
    Which 1 would be better hedge funds or mutual funds?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Anatoli Berezovsky
    Did Sal say that the higher stake the General Partner has in the hedge fund, the less risky the investments are because losses directly affect the General Partner itself?
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    • male robot hal style avatar for user Andrew M
      He might have said that. It's generally believed to be true but there's no guarantee that it is true. Hedge fund investors usually want the GP to keep all his own money in the fund so that he will be cautious about taking crazy bets with other people's money.
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Joe Katz
    Sal reiterates multiple times that hedge funds can be even more conservative than mutual funds with their investment strategies. Is this just theoretically possible, or are there significant hedge funds/managers known for being conservative, even relative to mutual funds? If the management fees in a hedge fund are so significantly higher than mutual funds, what would drive an investor to choose a conservative hedge fund over a similarly conservative mutual fund? More trust in the particular fund manager?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user studybrainalejo
    pete is the best guy
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  • male robot hal style avatar for user Tanak Nandu
    Generally, wouldn't hedge funds have to be less conservative in their investments, in order to yield higher return rates and justify the higher management fee along with the cut of profits levied by them?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Renee Kenny
    Why do you say "he," and not "he or she"?
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Video transcript

Hedge funds are talked a lot about in the press and usually with a slightly suspicious or negative tone so what I want to do in this video is think about or give us a way of thinking about whether a hedge fund, or really any financial type of organization or institution is good or bad, and I won't try to take one side or the other just give you some type of things to think about. So the first thing that sometimes is complained about when people talk about hedge funds, is that the compensation structure, because the hedge fund gets 20% of the profits but if the fund were to kind of blow up and go to zero the hedge fund manager isn't on the line for 20% of the losses people would argue that that encourages hedge fund managers to take disproportionate levels of risk and that is true to some degree but one thing that is true about hedge funds is that usually it's expected that the manager or the general partner has some of their own skin in the game so as an example, I drew a Pete Capital Fund 1 the manager committed 10% of the funds and what's more important, as apposed to just the percentage of the total fund is what percentage of Pete's total net worth is in the fund? Some fund managers will put a significant amount of their own personal net worth in the fund so even though they get 20% of the upside, if the fund were to really do horribly, if it were to blow up, that manager usually will really be on the line and that's usually the job of the limited partners here we've mentioned before that versus a mutual fund the limited partners of a hedge fund need to be sophisticated, they need to be accredited investors, they need to have a certain net worth they need to show that they understand these type of instruments and so it's really the job of the limited partners and it's really in their interest to make sure that they're investing in a fund where one, Pete looks like a credible guy, Pete has some skin in the game, and hopefully a substantial amount of skin in the game relative to Pete's net worth. Pete has a reputation, and then they have to decide their own comfort level with how transparent Pete is, a lot of hedge funds won't tell their investors a lot of what they're doing with this $100,000,000 sometimes they'll give a little bit more information or a little bit less, that could be a negative obviously, because who knows? Maybe they're going to Las Vegas and they're gambling away this money but that's where the reputation of the manager matters a lot but also the secrecy actually could be good for the limited partners because sometimes if everyone knows exactly what's happening inside of the fund and that information goes out, there could be other people that could somehow trade against the fund, or make the same investments of the fund or if this was a large fund, go ahead of that fund and try to buy whatever this fund was trying to buy ahead of time so there's kind of pros and cons to the secrecy, but that risk is definitely there, and, you know, one thing that I guess is probably interesting to point out is that this idea of getting a percentage of the upside but having very limited downside is not unique to hedge funds in fact, this is probably true of most corporate executives, in fact, most corporate executives probably don't have as much skin in the game we've all heard about golden parachutes and all of the rest if CEOs do really well, they usually get huge, huge, huge bonuses, if they do horribly and they get fired, they still get golden parachutes and that actually probably doesn't happen to hedge fund managers, so this idea of a percentage of the upside without the same percentage of the downside isn't unique to hedge funds managers, it happens to corporate executives, it happens to heads of banks, it happens to bankers generally where they get these huge bonuses in a year but in the next year, if the bank goes out of business no one asks them to kind of give back their bonuses. So I'm not going to defend it, I'm just going to say that it's not unique to hedge funds. Now the other kind of notion that sometimes people talk relative to a hedge fund is this idea of secrecy because it is not regulated, the hedge fund manager kind of has its choice of what they do over here and this secrecy, you know, I'll put a little asterix over here, because in order for these people to be willing to commit their fund the hedge fund manager has to tell them something about what he's up to, so it's up to the hedge fund manager. But some people work that the secrecy the secrecy that the hedge fund has, combined with the fact that they're allowed to invest in more, I guess you could say, exotic things they don't have to, and I want to be very clear a lot of hedge funds, even though they have this whole structure with the 2% management fee, and the 20% carried interest, a lot of hedge funds, their actual investments might look very similar to a lot of mutual funds in fact, some of them might be more conservative than many mutual funds, so it's not necessarily the case that hedge funds are doing crazy things over here. But some of them are, and so that combination of the secrecy, that they might be speculating on this or that or buying all sorts of crazy derivatives contracts that makes people feel that hey, there might be something shady going on over here. And, the way I think about it is, if the hedge fund is relatively small and $100,000,000 would actually be small in the scale of a hedge fund or I guess another way to think about it: if the assets that are controlled are relatively small because with sophisticated derivatives, with $100,000,000 you can actually control much more than $100,000,000 in notional assets, but if the notional assets that the hedge fund controls are relatively small then the secrecy, and kind of the, whatever the hedge fund might do it really just puts the investors of the hedge fund at risk and so it's really these people's job, it doesn't put society as a whole at risk the time when hedge funds get dangerous, or potentially get dangerous, or the most cited example of this is long-term capital management in the late 90s Let me write that down, LTCM, I'll do a whole series of videos on this eventually but long-term capital management controlled so much in notional funds, now we're talking about in the hundreds of billions or even trillions of dollars that this fund became too big to fail and I think you know from the recent financial crisis that this doesn't happen only to hedge funds and so you have this general notion that when any financial institution starts kind of controlling trillions of dollars or hundreds of billions of dollars, it can start a cascade through the entire financial system that's not a good thing. This is not a good thing, this is not good, because when something is too big to fail people don't let it fail and that goes against everything that we know about capitalism. Capitalism, when people do well, let them do well, but when people fail, let them fail. The thing I want to point out is that this is not unique to hedge funds AIG which is probably one of the main culprits of the last financial crisis they were an insurer, do you have the rating agencies, they weren't too big to fail but they helped kind of validate some of these other too big to fail actors. You had all of these banks that were too big to fail. So I think the general principle here is that a hedge fund can be good, it can be bad, what's unique about them relative to a mutual fund is that they tend to be a little bit more private they have more support, they should have more sophisticated investors but what they do with their money might be um, exactly the same thing as what a mutual fund might do, it might even be more conservative than a mutual fund, it might take on, it might use sophisticated instruments to take on less risk than a mutual fund, and I think the takeaway, or at least in my mind, is that any of these things, hedge funds, insurance companies, banks, even some corporations, they become bad when they become so big that failure doesn't just hurt their investors, it hurts all of society.