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Course: Financial Literacy > Unit 11
Lesson 4: Investments and retirementTraditional IRAs
Introduction to traditional IRA's (Individual Retirement Accounts). Created by Sal Khan.
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- Can you transfer funds into an IRA after 59+yrs.of age,and is there any advantage?(18 votes)
- Assuming you still earn an income (you can't use interest from investments, etc), you can contribute to a traditional IRA until the year you reach 70-1/2 and enjoy the mentioned tax deduction benefits for another decade plus.(5 votes)
- From what I understand from the video once you put the principle amount into the account it just sits there. The only ways for it to grow is if you continue to add more money OR buy and sell investments (which you probably have to actually be good at). So, at the core is an IRA account just a system where you can buy and sell investments without having to be taxed on it, with the idea being that you're going to use that money for retirement?(10 votes)
- Bill, you will need to estimate how much your expenses will be in retirement, and then estimate how much income you will need besides your Social Security income.(2 votes)
- After the money removed from the IRA account, why would you pay 25% on the entire sum? Since only $5,000 was actually ordinary income and the rest was capital gains, wouldn't it make more sense to pay 25% on the $5,000 and 15% on the capital gains?(6 votes)
- If you take advantage of the program, you have to follow the rules and the rules say that it is all ordinary income.(5 votes)
- What's the maximum size an IRA can reach? If the penalties are small, then isn't it more preferable to still open an IRA?(4 votes)
- There is no limit on an IRA's size, but the FDIC will only insure $250,000 of an IRA, and going over that limit means could lose your savings in excess of that limit if your financial institution closes.(8 votes)
- So after you withdraw the money, you pay no capital gains tax?(5 votes)
- You pay regular income tax on withdrawals from a traditional IRA. There is no such thing as a capital gain for tax purposes.(4 votes)
- So If I make an IRA account when I'm under 50, the max amount I can contribute is $5000/year.
And If I make an IRA account when I'm over 50, the max amount is $6000/year?
Is this correct?(3 votes)- It does not matter when the account is created. Once you are over 50, you can make the increased contribution.(7 votes)
- Why was the IRA withdrawal taxed at 25%? Most of my earnings within the IRA came from long term capital gains taxes (which for the non-IRA was 15%)?(3 votes)
- Probably with an IRA it does not matter where exactly the money came from, it is simply taxed as simple income in the year that you withdraw it (at an age higher than 60).(5 votes)
- Is this system very different in australia?
I never hear mention of 'IRA' in oz, do we just call it something else?(2 votes)- IRA's are a feature of the US tax system.(5 votes)
- If you set up an IRA with one company you work for, and then change jobs does that affect the IRA in any way?(3 votes)
- Why do you have to pay taxes on the whole $20,000 when you only had a $15,000 gain?(3 votes)
- The withdrawal counts as ordinary income, as it represents the original $5000 which was not taxed. The IRA allows you to avoid the Capital Gains Tax, which is calculated based on profit.(2 votes)
Video transcript
What I want to do in this video is talk a little bit
about traditional IRAs. IRA stands for Individual
Retirement Account. Individual Retirement Account. The focus on this video
is the traditional IRA. You'll hear of other types of IRAs, especially Roth IRA and SEP IRAs. This is only on Traditional. The just of all of them, is really it's the governments way of encouraging you to
save for your retirement. They all have slightly different details, so I'm just going to focus
on the traditional right now. Let's say we are in year 0. That's right now. Instead of year 0, let
me write "right now." You have 2 options. You could take advantage
of the traditional IRA. This is the IRA scenario. This is the no IRA scenario. Now, an IRA allows you to put up to a certain
amount of your income aside. Depending on your age and what year it is, that amount will change. In 2010 that number is $5,000 if you are under the age of 50. For under 50. It's $6,000 ... This is for an individual, not for a family. It's $6,000 if you're over the age of 50. Over age of 50. I guess the rational was probably, "Gee, if you're over the age of 50," "you better save even
more for your retirement," "which might only be 10 or 15 years away." They gave a little bit more
lead way for over the age of 50. Let's say we're under the age of 50 and we take full advantage of this IRA. We set aside $5,000. $5,000. Here we set aside nothing. Set aside nothing. In the very short term, the advantage is that
this $5,000 of our income will not be taxed. Let's say that my tax bracket ... Let's say that I'm in a 32% tax bracket. 32% tax bracket. Let me write that on the side. It will apply to both scenarios. 32% tax bracket today. I'm making some good money. Tax bracket today. On the $5,000 only, I'm only talking about
the taxes on the $5,000. You're going to have to pay taxes above and beyond that on the
rest of your income. Today, I'm going to pay
0 taxes on that $5,000. 0 taxes on the $5,000. If I don't set aside
that $5,000 into an IRA, then I will have to pay
taxes on that $5,000. I'm going to have to pay $5,000 x 32%. Which is equal to what? I'll just get a calculator out. You get 5,000 x .32 = $1,600 in taxes, I'm going to pay $1,600 in taxes today. In the year that I
actually made that $5,000. I can't set aside $5,000
if I made less than $5,000. It's always the lower of your income or these IRA limits. Of course, you're going to
pay, even in this situation. Let's say you made $100,000. When you put the $5,000 aside, you're still going to have
to pay taxes on $95,000. In this situation, where you
didn't put the $5,000 aside, you're going to have to
pay taxes on $100,000. You're going to have to pay
taxes on the extra $5,000, which is $1,600. Let's say in either
situation, with that $5,000, you want to buy and sell some securities or some investments. Let's say right after you
put in the IRA account … Now everything is sitting
in our IRA account. All of our transactions are sitting in this special IRA account right here, where we can actually
buy and sell investments and trade them. But, we can't cash them in and turn them into cash and then spend it on a new
car or something like that. If we did do that, before the age of 59 1/2, we
would have to pay a penalty. Let me write that down. You might immediately say, "Hey gee, this is a good idea." "Why doesn't everyone always do it?" The answer is, if I pull
it out before 59 1/2, I pay a penalty. Let me write this down, because that's important to keep in mind. Pay penalty and taxes if
withdrawn before 59 1/2. Once again, this is the Traditional IRA. The Roth IRA, for example, is a little bit more flexible on the actual principle amount that
you put into the account. We're just dealing with Traditional. This is an important
thing to keep in mind. This is kind of the
tradeoff that you're giving. The government is saying, "Hey, I'm giving you an
incentive to put this aside" "and I really want to make
sure that you leave this aside" "until you are ready to retire." "You don't get tempted, when
you see a nice sports car," "to cash in your IRA and use it," "because you're going to
have to pay a penalty." As long as you don't actually withdraw it and turn it into cash, you can actually buy and sell
securities within that IRA. Let's say, as soon as you put that $5,000, you buy $5,000 of stock A. Here, we don't have $5,000 anymore. We only have $3,400 of
our original amount, so we buy $3,400 of stock A. Let's say, I don't know,
10 years in the future. Let's say in 10 years ... This is going to be in either situation. In 10 years, let's say
that stock A has doubled, and you sell it. Now, you sell it. You have $10,000 here. You have $10,000 from sale of A. It's doubled. Here's it's doubled, but you only have $3,400 of stock A. Now, that $3,400 is worth $6,800. You have $6,800 from sale of A. Let's say you want to put
that into another stock. Let's say you put that all into stock B. I'm painting a very rosy picture. You can't always insure
that stocks will double. You buy $10,0000 in this situation. $10,000 of B. I'll hold off there. You buy $10,000 of B. Here you might say, "Oh, I'm going to buy $6,800 of B. Because you are not operating
within an IRA account, you're going to have to pay
taxes on the capital gains from this right here. Capital gains are gains made
from capital investments. In this case the capital
investment is investing in stocks. Since you owned your stock
for more that 1 year, you at least will only have to
pay long-term capital gains, which tends to be lower than
short-term capital gains. In this situation you
made a $3,400 profit. Not $340,000. You made $3,400 profit. You are going to have to
pay 15% capital gains. x 15%. Let's get the calculator out again. 3,400 x .15 = $510. You're going to have to pay $510. This is $510. You take your $6,800, pay $510 to the IRS. You are going to be left with $6,290. Remember, the reason why
you have to pay taxes is this is not operating inside of an IRA. Here you are operating inside of an IRA, so you don't have to pay taxes. Let's say you invest in stock B and then over the next 10 years, stock B also doubles. Stock ... so this is 10 years. Stock B is now worth
$20,000 and you sell it. From sell of B. Once again, it's sitting
inside of your IRA, so you don't have to pay
any capital gains on it. In this situation, you use that $6,290 to also invest in stock B, and after 10 years stock B doubles. It is now … What is that? $12,580. Once again, it's sitting
outside of your IRA. You have to pay 15% capital gains. You had a $6,290 gain. $6,290 gain x 15%. Let's see what that is. I'll get the calculator. Where's my calculator? There is it. You have $6,290 x 15%. That's equal to 943. Let me take that from my 12,580. 12,580 - 943.5 is equal to ... I have $11,636. I now have $11,636. Let's say 20 years have past. We are now over the age of 59 1/2. We can now withdraw from our IRA. Of course, this situation,
this is cash that we have. We can do anything with it. Maybe we're now over 60 years old. This could be used for our retirement, for our everyday expenses. This money that was sitting in IRA, now that we're over the age of 60, we're over 60 now, or over 59 1/2 if you want to be particular. Now that we're over 60 we can withdraw the IRA
without paying any penalty, but we will have to pay taxes. We're going to withdraw. No penalties. We will have to pay taxes, but the huge advantage here is, once we're over 60, we're
probably earning less money. The actual tax bracket that we're in is probably going to be lower. Let's say we're in a 25% tax bracket. Remember, when we first made that $5,000 we were in a 32% tax bracket, because we were this young gun at the peak of his or her career, making a lot of money. Now, we're making less money. We're trying to live off of our savings, so we have to pay 25% income tax on it. If we pay 25% on $20,000 ... Remember, now we're
actually withdrawing it. We're actually putting it
in our checking account so we can spend it for living or whatever we want to do with it. 25% of $20,00 is equal to $5,000 in taxes. We will be left with $15,000 to do anything that we want with it. Compare this. This is $15,000 verses $11,636. Everything that we did
was completely identical, except for, over here we took the $5,000 and invested within an IRA. Here, we took the $5,000, we had to pay taxes on it. Then, we invested it
in the exact same way. We actually made very
good stock investments in both situations and we ended up with a
significant less amount of money. This is $15,000 verses $11,000. That's almost … What is that? 30 something % difference in the total amount of money you have. Not only that, but this tax we had to pay, we don't have to pay this … this is only in situations
where you have a 25% tax rate. When you're retired you might even have a lower tax rate than that and it's deferred a good bit. The real thing to think about is just, 20 years in the future
you're sitting on $15,000 verses if you didn't
participate it in the IRA you're sitting on only
a little over $11,500. Of course, the main trade off here is that in the IRA situation, you really couldn't touch your money. If you had an emergency and you had to withdraw the money, you would have had to pay penalties on it.