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so we have with us Sean O'Sullivan and first I'll give you a little background on the on the Khan Academy connection it's about three years ago we get an email from you saying that you wanted to help us and I'm like I okay and until you show up and then you you know we spend a more is that 277 Castro I think we were probably what a five person organization then maybe three person organization at the time you spend a half an hour with not a half a day with me and shot knew and you leave essentially one of our biggest supporters ever so you know thank you and that was a big vote of confidence in what we've done and it was a you know it was a phase of the organization where you know we didn't know what it would become and all the rest so that was a you know we well I I mean you were already so far down the road it was obvious that you were on to great things and here look at the team you've got around you you felt an amazing set of products and capabilities and affecting many millions people's alive is something that anyone is lucky whether you're working here supporting con you know lucky to be a part of such a great social movement you know for good yeah no I I knock on wood every morning everything it is so so let me introduce everyone to you so you have there actually several claims to fame that I knew about you before but then this morning I started doing some research about you and you have lived a full life so I guess right now your most famous especially in Ireland for being on the Dragons Den which is essentially like the the shark tank of Ireland yep that's right you're you're one of these it's actually the third most popular show in Ireland after like The Late Late Show and the news so it's super like nobody really knows the shark tank here but I you know it's I don't know it's probably the 50th or 104th popular show and I don't know but in Ireland you know I can't walk down the street without people you know giving you a bit or giving a business plan or and you have to do that is one of these premises where it's a bunch of investors and they have to pitch and you'll all have like money on your coffee table yes yes it is a show and we have some footage of it who is prepared to enter the Dragons Den inside could be the money to turn business dreams into reality but only the bravest and the best contained the Dragons who guard the prize those dragons are five of the country's most wealthy and successful business people and the pudding entrepreneurs who dare to face them in the den need to convince them to invest in their dreams the Dragons all know what it takes to be successful in the fiercely competitive world of business having built their companies the hard way technology pioneer Sean O'Sullivan runs a vago a world leading transportation software company headquartered in Cork and operating globally while investing millions in start-up businesses my vision is to make style and fashion with wonderful music engineering and this is it it's called AG guitars the electric guitar industry has been dominated by products which have not been innovative for 50 years I'm conscious of style I like to wear clothes that represent what I stand for and so do all my generation this is what they want it's new it's cool it's highly functional and they will love it I am doing four guitars what Steve Jobs has done four phones you know one of my fellow dragons was in a rock band rock star which an old recording studios also it was only the piano John speaks French if you google it was big into 50s okay before I was born yeah so it's not before Gavin with Wow what's the market for guitars how many sell a year yes so uh like this is approximately between the States and Europe you've got about a million electric guitars per year what is the revenues that you're projecting um I mean we said 2000 Qatar's in the first year at 160 euros per guitar so that's working out at 320,000 I wanted to retail at 349 but I want to bring that back to $2.99 after you know I'm getting more efficient with production and stuff like that Rob I think you're potentially a really great entrepreneur and I think you're probably going to need more money to to do this than the 35,000 so I'd like to give you a little more money than you asked for and take a little more equity than you asked for so I propose to give you 50,000 euro for 25% equity in your company also we have a hardware accelerator program in China that takes designers like yourself from anywhere around the world puts them in institute in in the environment we can put you into a program like that and get you working directly with the factories and getting more electronics and so these are all things that I'd love to work with you on future generations of products and you know if I was working with you I really like to work with you but I'm 25% would you do anything where you compare that back you know if we hit targets to 20% um if you sell 2,000 guitars in the first year I'll give up from 25 and down to 20% okay yeah yeah don't do great congratulations a deal and a last-minute reduction in equity yep now that's worth getting out of bed for take it easy hmm good luck was it him you were looking at oh yeah cuz I didn't see the differentiation in the product really Rebecca the product is the product sketches is different it's absolutely different Shawn that sales model that he's going to sell it to pay as much as you think your field guitars worth I think yes all right that's it that's Rob oh right with you and that's your clothes Dan Rather's actually since come out with some a second generation of rock so it worked out well oh yeah we're coming you look real big so you see this on TV shows you don't figure no it's actually a lot of times half the time that the deal doesn't go through even after it seems like it goes through in my case probably they go through around 80 85 percent of the time but some some of the other dragons or sharks don't actually you know that they don't come to germs and so this is actually a venture that you're you're still working on and yeah you know it's they're producing thing else you've got some rave reviews it's very unusual guitar there's several unique features that you know it has a MIDI output as well as the sound output it has you know it's cut out in the center it has a balance beam it's got plectrum you know it's it's a nicely designed guitar yes and we'll talk about it because as we'll see that is part of your your past just lyric industry yes that's a list in what you No exactly so so we'll start at the beginning because I mean obviously it's an interesting life so far you've had you you were born in New York yeah you're your Irish descent yeah New York City Irish descent you eventually end up back in Ireland but how did it start I was reading about I mean you're one of nine children yes I was one of nine children so I was born in New York City I actually had a you know a deadbeat dad actually so we that's my mother and my father got separated when I was three and we were raised in poverty in upstate New York on the welfare system and so for four five or six years my mom was raising the nine kids who were all under the age of 10 I was three nine kids under the age of ten yeah I got at one point but then we got older and after after you know 6 or 7 years of that she was able to get a job and and you know we sort of worked our way out of work their way out of poverty over the years but that was the that was the start of it you know it's New York State is not a great place to be growing up poor because the weather is actually quite severe compared to California so you know it could be you know with windchill or whatever minus 40 degrees and so when we would go to sleep at night you know in the dead of winter we gather in one room with a wood stove with a wood that we cut down from trees ourselves and just try to you know all of us you know some sometimes a couple people in one bed just the six or seven people say in one room sleeping with a wood stove yeah it's probably different than how you grew up but maybe not it wasn't that bad actually and I mean and how do you know given that start which is you know so hard beginning how did you get into I mean technology how did you get into computers which was you kind of your first passion or what first passions that music yeah so my first passion probably would have been computers I somehow saw my older brother went to college and he this is back in the day when they still had punch cards and I saw some you know some print ads of work that he was doing a computer science program himself and so I said wow I really I really it was just fascinating it was really appealing to me you know when you are grow up or you don't have that much control over your environment and to actually be able to control a computer is an incredibly powerful thing you know it does whatever you tell it to do you know and you know that's that's really remarkable so it was a way of getting some control over the situation and being able to develop myself and support myself and you even support even when you were in high school or yeah yeah actually my first professional job programming was when I was 14 so I had learned some programming and there's for the in America for the poorest of the poor there's a program called the civilian employment training act on not sure if it's still around but they basically give you jobs that are supposed to prepare you for a long time career so they gave me a job being a janitor in my high school and I I said well geez that's not the greatest career potential and I don't understand why it's a training act if I don't really need that much training to push a broom around or a vacuum cleaner or whatever in the first place but I found a county agency that was you know a couple miles from my house and so I asked the person who ran that agency if I could just have a job basically changing data tapes or you know printing out things just just to get started in and then you want to discover like a program and I could program better than several of the other you know programmers there were older you know professionals that I ended up getting started that way Wow Wow I didn't appreciate me this wasn't that long ago this was like the early 80s this is the early 80s early 80s that they would recommend for a 14 year old to be the janitor it is yea nice like it's better than nothing because you still get to you know it's minimum wage job but you still get some we're working and you're contributing to your families you know you know your family situation so it's not a terrible program although you know they're there obviously they could have aimed a little higher than janitor so I did work as a janitor and as a as a you know groundskeeper and things like that for maybe a year before I found a way to get my self out of it and and that I mean obviously you got that that job and you kept developing it and you you go to Rensselaer yeah so I yeah kind of interesting polytechnic institute which is in troy new york the oldest english shrieking engineering school in the world continuously running or whatever the the claim to fame is a the inventor of the television the inventor of the semiconductor process the first microprocessor and all these other you know the brooklyn bridge all those other sort of things and and as a I had been I grew up like an hour southwest of there so I was always hearing about you know how they were in the Mars louver Rover project and all this when I was growing up and I just said wow that just sounds like the kind of thing I want to do do really impactful you know amazing things so that's what got me into engineering and never looked back you know I think that engineers have a disproportionate power in the planet to affect the world for for in massive ways so you know I you know we were just talking about this little earlier that a lot of the brightest students unfortunately choose to to major in areas which are basically service industries like one-to-one service industries like the brightest kids in high school sometimes end up choosing to become doctors or lawyers and those are things that are one-to-one service industries versus becoming an engineer where you have the you know a capability to affect you know millions of billions of people's lives with products you design and impacts that you have on the planet which I've also been lucky to have been able to have been part of teams and leading teams that have had those kinds of changes over the years and and that's your first experience coming out of college and especially growing up poor it yeah I mean I didn't you know I my background wasn't as dyers you're put in it not not that different as well but it you know one of the things when you come out of college is that fear well you do I be an entrepreneur and kind of risk it all or do I at least just go for the middle class you know pay the bills get a car you went you went entrepreneurial I you yeah from the beginning days like I mean it you know it's it's really easy to go like you know living like a from living like a college student where you don't have any money you don't you know don't have any possessions or whatever to like living like an entrepreneur which is here you haven't changed anything you don't have anybody you're you know you don't have any needs or things that would prevent you from from doing it so I was lucky enough I had worked my way through college you know you know for IBM and a couple of other smaller tech companies well during summers and whatnot so I was able to know that I also I also knew before I graduated college that I didn't really want to work for a large company because I saw like you know IBM's great company and everything but I saw some of the best engineers that I was working with in Research Triangle Park at one point North Carolina that they they were working on this video phone project back in 1984 or something and and then IBM the company bought Rome ro HM which is the key systems phone provider for like a billion dollars and so this team of super dedicated engineers that have been working like eight years on this amazing product just got X because of some big corporate decision that had been made ten levels above them and they work their bones off to produce it's unbelievable you know you know break break groundbreaking products and it never saw the light of day and I said you know I'd rather not have that happen to me I'd rather be working in a smaller environment where it can have a lot more control over my destiny and so that's why I chose to start a company that's why I think it's always great to work in its smaller organizations that do have big big impact like like like you have here at Khan Academy and at first I was MapInfo this was I mean you you it was kind of a pioneering company you know now everything you know Google Maps and you have all these with you know yeah so if you've ever has anyone ever done this is then when I typed in address into a computer and seen a street map did I see a show of hands of anyone from that before so we invented that you know and that was a long long time ago because I'm like I'm approaching 50 like you know a bullet train to to that wall over there you know before you could say oompa-loompa I'm going to be fifty years old so um I like it was a long long time ago thirty years ago i that we redid this and i and you know it was it was a big idea back then and it pioneered and set the groundwork for all the technology that has since developed from it you know I have a total huge respect for what you know that Google's um you know that that Street Street View zoom and and whatnot they've really you know a lot of companies have done a lot with the technology but we we pioneered it the first million or so people that used Street mapping on computers were worth you know 99% of whom were using map info became a couple hundred million dollar company became a public company it was licensed by a lot of the bigger companies to do it but more importantly you know the thousands of resellers and the thousands of local countries that we're using our product digitized all the street maps using a product or made it available to their customers using our product which sort of set the groundwork for all the mapping that that that happens today you know so it's pretty cool and that was that so that was my first company I was there for seven years and I was the president and chairman of it for four then and then I then I left and you let you know it goes public and you leave and you know the classic Silicon Valley thing is oh you know I've had one exit let me go do my next one or let me become a partner a VC firm or yeah you start a rock band yeah yeah that was that was it unconventional choice I think it means I've made several unconventional choices I was listening earlier this morning to love is pain oh my god so that's a that's from our first first EP five song EP some some you know copyright violators put it up onto the Internet what you were happy about I was funny cuz I saw it but the name of the band was a Janet speaks French and a six man Janet speaks French you actually were got I mean you got on the radio yeah we are 40 in like you know 80 radio stations the top 40 yeah yeah and we were but you know 80 radio stations in the United States is at least 2,800 radio stations or whatever so it's like nope none of you would have heard it if you were even alive back in 1994 whenever it was I was there imagine her life yeah yeah cool yeah and and and I mean and and that what was going through your mind I obviously music was a lot of yours you had I you know you I guess were comfortable at this point financially actually I wasn't quite comfortable at that point because the company was in the registration process that I hadn't actually gotten public at that point so um so for a while I was just doing it and you know that was alright like I I don't live like in a really extravagant way I don't need that much money because you know it always you know it's good grounding to remember where your came from because you could be right back there any time you know you know what was in front of you but yeah so I've never needed that much to get by so being a struggling rock musician wasn't that big of an adjustment fine and you do that for how many years are 80 years actually two years and then I started a technology company Internet company it was 1995 or something end of 1995 and so that was back when Netscape wasn't called Netscape it was called mosaic communications and probably none of you even heard of Netscape even where yeah whatever you guys yeah we uh we hire people over doesn't succeed okay sake to engineering crowd how many of you are engineers out there a handful kind of half a little bit used to be very good that's very good so um so yeah so um yeah so I and we came up with this concept of you know network services over the internet and software for inside the Internet which we then called cloud computing you know so we came up with that term I coined that term myself and George battle aura from Compaq Computer we should take pause there yeah coined cloud computing yeah so there you go yeah what sir yeah and antilochus pain and it's not my favorite song actually oh yes you have to probably go to the second okay you hit my favorites but there's look what's good and then else um it isn't love that's probably my it isn't what you're going through some some hard times yeah absolutely this I was not popular what ladies yeah you could anyway well our next couple yeah and we'll have a little yeah talk about that awful yeah yeah and so you start the next company and and and that was another the next was I was call net-centric let's enter another and and that crude is like say 10 million and see I wasn't it wasn't a huge thing and it got sold off basically in pieces to Cisco or somebody else I can't even remembers like I'd black that whole part of my it wasn't it wasn't a late night wasn't a great success at all I mean the investors like myself I invested in it didn't make their money back so is a lesson in life and then it was in and maybe I'm skipping but this is I found this fasting I didn't know about this I mean we've known each other for three years I didn't know this whole chapter in your life you then go to Iraq no actually then I became a filmmaker then you became a oh yeah um school you became a filmmaker yeah so I went to USC film school with I in in LA which is awesome and I was making films I made a you know like a hundred films and five years but I was like me I just got a yeah but like here's a [ __ ] well like they're little little bit like three minute videos and you know music videos and you know lots of other things like that but I was looking for a project and the Iraq war was about to start in 2003 2003 yeah yeah so yeah so it was March 2003 when I finally I was started working on trying to get into Iraq get permission to get into Iraq in the end of 2002 while I saw the war was coming the dirty or join all these protests all over you know New York LA oh and don't get all that and then I got myself in with a peace activist group called the Christian peacemaking team but which just I was just going to be documenting their their struggles and they were allowing to Iraq under the Saddam regime and so I went in there and it was I was in Iraq when the you know when in Baghdad when what was about shock and awe ya know began and was actually quite an amazing time to be there and to see it was both pre and post but as a filmmaker you know I I also you know as you do is when you go into dictatorial regimes they they have followers I call them she's forgetting everything minders yeah but the minders yeah oh yeah that's what they're called minders thank you very much so they have government like the industry of information or I forget I'm forgetting about the name of the Ministry of information was but anyway the Ministry of Information said would it attach a minder to use to make sure you didn't take photos that I think you're not supposed to take photos off because they only want to they'll take you to a place where you know maybe a bomb one went wrong or they they claimed a bomb went the wrong way or they'll take you to hospitals and show you pictures of women and children but they won't actually let's just photograph anything else so so I was ejected from the country because I've never taken very well to to rule rules so and so that's where I met my wife actually she was she was just also rule breaker she was she was arrested by the Sirians when she was trying to cross the river into Iraq you know illegally still coming in so so but she was in Jordan and then then when the wall or when Baghdad fell the the border fell and we were able to go back into the country and so I was there for the next 18 months or so Wow now this is like you can make a movie like I'm already imagining like the casting for yeah I mean there yeah that's your Ruby make acids me yeah well I'll think about that okay I have some ideas but I'll tell y'all the and so that and then you go back into I mean this is that's guy and I was even reading I mean one of your partners in this yeah no Haman Elsa farm probably is that what your friends yeah so I started I worked a little bit for CNN and Reuters and just doing a lot of freelance work at that point and then after a while I got fed up with the US government's ability to execute you know they were just really in a you know they couldn't get anything done I didn't seem so so I started a humanitarian organization called jumpstart International and we went in and we cleaned up a whole bunch of we employed 3,500 people in the end who started with just MIT myself and 30 guys and then we grew it up over you know over the time to about 3,500 people so we were actually the largest humanitarian organization after the UN pulled out pretty early you know they were they were bombed and and whatnot so in and this is dirt this is during the war what time period is this this is well actually there was a sort of a post-war period I which was from say around April May of 2003 so when the Civil War started which was April of 2004 I see so I was I your kicks out you went bat you and then you come back I come I came back almost immediately yeah because if Baghdad just lasted for another nine days or something like that before it fell for five days or something and then and then I went back and then I was running this humanitarian organization and then the civil war soup and I built that up and the civil war started in April of 2004 and then I was still there you know for until the end of that year well and your partner in my list yet my co-founder of jumpstart was mo Haman L safar who's in Iraqi and he was he was assassinated because we used to be we were we were just driving around all the time you know just us visiting all the projects so we would have 80 projects at a time you know hospitals and you know universities and we'd be cleaning up or taking down skyscrapers that were bombed or burned and then just thought it was just a big manpower and engineering sort of effort to try to clean up the city and and we you know we built a lot of housing thousands of homes I mean you must have seen some yeah so later on yeah so so both during the war and you know the civil war is actually the worst part if you think about American history the Civil War is where more Americans have ever have died I'm sure I think of many factors half a million you know um yeah I mean you have you'd have it with us all really relate to hundred two hundred fifty thousand or something like that would would die versus you know in World War two over six years or something I think we lost a million people or less than that I you know so so the civil American Civil War is worse in Iraq it's the exact same thing you know with when that started in April 2004 all the way so recently you know it's it's been the bloodiest sort of and y'all were inserting yourselves in kind of the I mean just where the yes carnage and where yeah so like we would clean up after a terrifying you know and every body parts and we'd be I'd be stepping over body parts or stepping on them or you know cleaning up things a lot of my workers would be injured and I was just living in the I wasn't living in the Green Zone which is the American occupied or the you know what coalition occupied territory I was living in you know the red zone the other area the other parts of the city so um so we would just go around all the time it I mean I guess this is a question you know what was driving you to do like a I was frustrated you know I mean what what what is any entrepreneur you know feel like you know when you see a market that's not being served when you when you when you just like this needs to happen you know like it's so stupid that it the work wasn't getting done but you didn't think me especially as a you know American or someone who looks you're especially as America but but you know because II zone where you sprayed I mean know them you could be a target yeah yeah ducted so sure so sure but you know but there were Americans there risking their lives they had suits and you know guns and whatnot you know but why shouldn't an American who's unarmed you know be out there risking their life you know for the same for the same cause you know - hopefully liberate the the country and set them on their their course and leave them alone but you know it's it's a it you know I I was in danger were there a lot of folks like this I mean whatever they weren't yeah because I mean my impression just through the news and whatever else is that you had the green zone that's where the civilian dia the Western civilians lived and every now and then they might with a huge military escort kind of make excursion outside of the the green zone so I mean we're they're up now there's actually USA Today called me one point I think was are in September 2004 and they said we think you're the last we think you're the last one there there's another Christian piece that could King you I kept in contact with they're still around and then then they got you know their whether you got kidnapped in and tortured in some of them killed as well so like there were not that many people and mostly right I mean I'm just trying on like I am it's admirable it's amazing to kind of go in and do this stuff and but especially you know you're like the last one even the people who are tearing off the night saying when you right they're getting abducted getting tortured ya know I mean some ibly most of most of the people I knew probably got either kidnapped or but I mean in your mind did you view this as a rational I mean were you afraid weren't you you know there's being brave that there's yeah well actually what finally sent me from the country and when I did leave is because I thought that actually and I am not that I'm not that you know I'm not that religious of a person but what finally sent me for the country is I was blinded in my left eye and I had cancer and that that those two indicators if it was just the cancer by itself well I got I got skin cancer actually and if you look closely they actually cut out an inch and two-inch patch they just kept getting worse and I couldn't you know and I and actually the the us was her family was very good yet they didn't even charge me anything so I will they take it out no and then and then and then I went blind in my left eye and that was because I got some infection and then the Iraqi doctor that I went to give me a steroid but it was a viral infection and so steroid on a virus it makes it a super virus and basically ate my eye and so date the skin off my eye I do have his skin on my eye and it was it was bad yeah part I said you know God is trying to give me a message Brooke is in Irish actually O'Sullivan or San Juan means um the one-eyed giant or something so so uh so there I was with one I left and and actually amazingly you know I I got I got a treatment for it afterwards and you know they they take your blood and they make some sort of special potion out of your blood and it's it's you could put it into your eye and my I grew back and my vision got better than it was before so so so actually my vision is now better little there was three being eaten so I reckon the Darrow inducing Byers ie D virus if you have like trouble I recommend going to Iraq I set you up with this Iraqi doctor but yeah actually I didn't even I mean you not even know half of this stuff I thought I'd done my back this is mind blowing okay I want to talk more a lot at the end of it at the end of it I said you know what I'm getting enough messages here I mean everybody's telling me I mean freaking NBC News follow me around for a day to do my obituary you know so like seriously yeah I didn't didn't tell me they like the guy who wants the other guy oh yeah no no I didn't want to die I didn't want to know it looks like someone who almost says it you know a guy who over water law you know like Americans had to do something I know very very very frustrating to just go and do do do you know to let the situation be what it was and I'm proud of America actually you know I I think Americans try to do the most incredible things for the planet they're intense what separates their intent in their execution sometimes is awful you know and you know and everyone says oh yeah there was some ill intent in all this and yeah maybe a little bit but it was mostly just misconceived in in my view and so like to just let that go you know that was it was speaking to my core that I needed to do something and I was in a place to do something I had some money actually gave you know I started that it started it myself and then I got some UN funding and some some other funding to keep it was your wife with you is she yeah she's well she's awarded she was you know she she's a she was a war reporter so so she's a little bit accustomed to it but it was time for both of us to get out so we we got married and then and I was actually then I was working in the Gaza Strip we built a university you know Gaza Polytechnic and and I was on that trip you know we got married on New Year's Eve in nine months and seven days later Charlotte our first daughter was born and so I think that's God's other signal was that you know I was not supposed to be in war zones anymore so I you know when I was in the Gaza Strip when I found out my wife was pregnant and that was basically at the end of it I said screw it I'm not going to do this anymore so so I I didn't and now I got back and I found myself it's a technology technology and then you go back to Ireland why Ireland as opposed to I was using my Irish passport when I was going in and around in the Green Zone and to get into the Green Zone and as opposed to your why the Irish who well I was under the pretense that that that Iraqi Arabic speakers couldn't tell the difference between a Irish sounding accents and American sounding accents right and actually and it would just just be better if you were kind of abducted with an Irish passport yeah as an American I saw yeah absolutely it would be better an admission fee to get it in for a visa is like 1/10 as much if you have your Irish that's huh versus if you have your American passport actually a hundred dollars there's something to get him off as an American or four five and so then you go back to Ireland you I guess because you were using the path where you started to feel I guess you always kept some type of a joint citizenship or yeah I had true through my grandparents I had Irish citizenship so anyway so I started a company in Ireland and and now you know I live the quality of life in Ireland is great you know I look but you know I love it's great being there and we've just sort of started a company that I'm a couple of companies to them mine you start a couple companies that even in your car SOS ranchers y'all back some of them fairly well-known yeah so to zero oh yeah well yeah so yeah guitar hero would it would have been a great win for us this you know I backed a you know pretty heavily a company called Netflix yes we've heard of it yes I've done yeah it's done well and you know a number like we have about 160 companies the portfolio leak motion was one of the ones I was just talking about is a great big one that we were first VC and on that as well that's a recent one but there's you know and so this week in San Francisco we're actually launching 20 different companies on Monday we launched 10 from hacks elevator and today later today we're launching at the leap accelerator program in San Francisco with 10 new companies so so so we do a lot and I manage a couple of hundred million dollar fund and we we believe in accelerating companies you know they were the accelerator VC so we we do a lot to try to start as many good companies as we can because you know ultimately you can try to you can try to go in and you can try to you know change people's lives by you know building a house or something like that but if you can change change their lives by for example enabling cloud computing or enabling you know Street mapping on computers or any of these new technologies that were that were we're launching you know these are really transforming tens of millions or if not more of people's lives this is what I was speaking to you know in terms of the disproportionate power that engineers have to impact you know the quality of life of mankind and we can you know that that's the most impact you can have as a person so even as a venture capitalist you know that's what I look to you know is this adding good to the planet to do this and what you're doing in Kahn Academy you know it was a you know five million dollar commitment that we made which is a reasonable-sized commitment huge for I mean it's but it's continues to be one of our largest gifts ever but especially at that phase of the organization it was a it was a big deal for us well thank you but but you know I feel honored that you know to be a part of part of your success because what you're doing is you know so transformative and potentially so transformative I know you're only part of the way there so none of you engineers need to rest on your laurels because you'd swap or a lot more with Medici done right um yeah but you know life is like that you know you try to get up every day and do something you know amazing and you know try to make the world a better place that's all that's all the guiding philosophy is about it and I mean what's been incredible obviously you help support us but you've also turned into something of an advisor and you've been driving some pretty neat initiatives in Ireland that we're actually hoping to eventually yes I runs a little petri dish and we've got this thing going I don't know if salary the gang is talked about it called mathletes and it's an experiment that we try and it is super cool it is just super cores just looking over some of the stats this morning and you know we launched we had came up with this idea to to try to duplicate the the passion that people have about athletics and the pride that people have about their school where their their their you know individual performance trying to have people be as dedicated to their schools through mathletics as they would to athletics and and this is something that you know it seems like it's working you know it's early days but in just the age range that we're talking about from 11 to 15 the evidently by running this mathletes competition over two and a half months the the web traffic for Khan Academy is something like three and a half times as many for all of Ireland for all of us we're essentially just getting started these last few months yeah and so if we launch the idea you know one and a half percent of all the kids in Ireland in that age range are now competing in in mathletes if you did that across the United States I think it'd be like 7d thousand seventy thousand schools would be competing we and it's competing at a you know with at a very very very significant level like there's the top 1% of kids in the last two and a half months of spent I don't know we just looked at the stats it was quite something hungry when he said in it or something like that yes Oh minnows of study the several get too much in just two months the several grade levels of math you know in just two and a half months now that's top one percent but if you take it to the top five percent it's not ten percent they've done several grade levels of math in you know with a 700 minutes or 580 minutes so that's really turning to a national thing the Prime Minister's yeah was all the the aunty shock which is the the Irish for Prime Minister it's a ministerial form of government rather than the president in Ireland doesn't is is not the same as the president here so that aunty shock is the head of the government and so he's given away the mathletes prizes we have little trophies that he gives that have been given to the schools for their competition is started in February the final the finals and it works out like you know like the NCAA is sort of thing where there's a whole you know press coverage and there's leader boards that go out every week people know where their schools are on the leader boards on a county level on a regional level and on a national level and so there's a tremendous amount of pride that people are taking in their accomplishments and the accomplishments of their school and the teachers are getting sucked into this because they're passionate about it and because they're because it's exciting and because the kids are excited and so it's potentially a really really really interesting way of you know I we've seen that you know something like 350 percent you know the number of the number of people that are participating in Ireland is only doubles even though it's just this age of age range but the on Khan Academy now but the the engagement is like four times so so the number of pageviews in the number of time so if if we can duplicate that for the world you know or for the United States then talking about a lot of impacts yeah and we're super excited about this and another thing I'm excited about is this than this fallacy that women aren't good at math and this proves you know we've got it exactly 50/50 you know gender slit for the top performing mathletes in in the in the country and then even at the national competition which is taking place next Saturday this there is a slight discrepancy but we don't know if there's gender bias and the in how parents we don't know we have to look at the data a little bit more but it's still incredibly similar to 54% to 46% boys to girls at the national level which when you think about your day Sal when you were in math competitions how many women were in that competitions versus men there weren't ready there were yes yes like there's like it's like an engineering school one in 10 or 100 won six right it's it's it's awful so we need to know as they say women hold up half the sky so you know we have to we have to use all of our town all of our people so to advance the planet and more women should become you know more more technically capable yeah awesome well thank you I mean I could go on for hours because actually on easier this way I'm actually have a million questions about Iraq as well but anyway I mean thank you so much this was a bigger treat than I even expected the more I got to even know you you who I've known for three years but the more of your background my respect for you is gone you know to even a whole other level and they'll thank you for being an early supporter and and continuing to do incredible things and pushing us into the direction frankly we should be going in which is getting more community building and more people to kind of really feel invested in in learning yeah we're all we're all learning here and so you know each day is a each day is a joy if we just take it that way we don't know what's what the future is we can't predict what the future is but we can we can measure we can go in the lean way and we can adapt their course on the way and hopefully some of the learnings we're doing our little petri dish in Ireland can apply to the overall mission which I love about Khan Academy is doing so great thank you so much thank you you