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Investment vs. consumption 1

The difference between investment and consumption. Created by Sal Khan.

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  • marcimus pink style avatar for user YaoYao Wang
    I really have to disagree with the last point. Yes it's speculative but when you're dealing with houses that don't have AC, outdated appliances, or soiled carpets, some reasonable renovation is necessary to improve the value of your home. There are people who solely buy houses to renovate then sell. It is contributing to society bc you have to hire people to install stuff, and they have to buy their stuff from whoever made it. If you had said after the simple house you're buying a boat or harley then I would definitely say that's consumption.
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    • blobby green style avatar for user Sean Baker
      Those people who buy and sell homes after renovating are indeed speculators. And I would add that alot of the time, they drive people into homelessness. When there are no longer low rent neighborhoods, the least skilled will no longer be able to afford a roof over their head and they will become homeless. The people who go around being "blight busters" never understand the true consequences of their actions. People without money or a roof over their head would do well to live in a home without AC or current appliances. They just need a secure place to do the 3 S's so they can worry about working and not about defending themselves from street rats in their sleep.
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  • blobby green style avatar for user talbot.j
    I believe the building a house and upgrading to granite and hardwood floors should be in the same category - consumption. You could rent and still provide the same wealth to society as owning a house. So would renting then be considered an investment? A more appropriate label to an "investment" in our society is charity. So buying a house could be considered a consumable object with charitable benefits, whereas the hardwood floors is simple consumption.
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  • mr pants teal style avatar for user Lee Brown
    I think no matter how you word what the situation "is", it's basing a lot of weight on speculative outlook. Saying building a house is an investment is only true IF the family then contributes to society more/at all. Building a new kitchen is only consumption IF the family holds onto the home. It truly is an investment if the kitchen was only added to flip the house, thereby creating a return, therefore becoming an investment. Great video nonetheless!
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    • leaf green style avatar for user poisonveca
      I see what you mean Lee Brown and understand your emphasis of "IF". But the way I see it - we should first contextualize, just like you said: do we consider investment from the perspective of a person or society or community.... and then it is clear if something is an investment or consumption.
      I disagree with your statement "Saying building a house is an investment is only true IF the family then contributes to society more/at all". Building a house to a homeless family is definitely an investment because it ENABLES them to contribute to society and create wealth. Now if they end up not contributing at all, that means tha this was a bad investment, it didn't pay off, but not that it was not an investment. The was I see it, the difference between investment and consumption is not weather it will create wealth to you/society, but weather it is ABLE to create wealth. Investment can create wealth (if it is good), while consumption can not.
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  • blobby green style avatar for user jesse
    So the gist is that consumption is wasting whereas investment expects a future return. I have to square this with some of the talk coming out of China rebalancing talk from people like Michael Pettis who claim that Chinese rebalancing must involve a decrease in investment and an increase in consumption. That does not mean that the Chinese, to rebalance, need to waste their money. Far from it, I would think. So it seems the difference in the context of a macroeconomic rebalancing is more subtle than what is shown here. Maybe I missed a point made in the presentation?

    What it looks like to me is say someone in China builds an apartment that has utility given by its net rental income. They overpay for the land and face having future income not being able to cover their costs (opportunity or otherwise). They are continually "wasting" their money by eating the revenue shortfall. I think that's how I would frame it in that context.
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  • leaf green style avatar for user Yoni Friedman
    At in the video, Sal mentions the people are erring when they consider home improvement as an investment - instead, he calls that notion "speculation" and categorizes the extravagant house as consumption, because the house did not improve society in any way.
    Well, I can also think of a similar thing that falls under the category of speculation: Stocks!
    Think about it: When you buy a stock FROM ANOTHER PERSON, are you generating wealth for society? Or are you just hoping that the value of the company will be perceived as higher, and therefore you may be able to sell for more? According to Sal's definition earlier in the video, this is consumption! Yet every bank, pension fund, and investment firm will continue to "invest" in stocks. How does this make sense?
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    • blobby green style avatar for user Sean Baker
      When you "invest" in a corporation, the idea is that you lend them your money and they use it to build their business. Originally, stocks were not so easy to get and people bought bonds as investments. Now, because of internet trading websites, the general public has the ability to invest like never before. However, there are companies that turn a profit by buying and selling millions of dollars worth of company stock in minutes or even seconds, just to make tenths of a cent on the transfer of each stock. I would consider such trading firms to be unscrupulous because they never leave their money in any company long enough for the company to invest it, but that is just my opinion.
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  • piceratops tree style avatar for user Srikanth Musti
    If an investment is me spending on something which makes me a more productive member of society, then do food, water and accessories like a mobile phone, a computer or clothing, etc. all fall under the term 'investment'?
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    • male robot hal style avatar for user Andrew M
      No, they are in most cases expenses. You don't buy clothing to enable you to make more money, unless you are some sort of a model, in which case maybe you could call it an investment. Food cannot be an investment because when you eat it it is gone.
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Daniel Lim
    How bout if you rent the house to other people, will the hardwood floors and granite create value then? Because I think pay some more if they think the house suits their taste.
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    • blobby green style avatar for user dereck.gignac
      Factors like location and square footage will always be valued more than the current style trends. In addition to this, you should remember that not everyone will be willing to pay more for granite and wood in their house, so depending on what the market is like for renting in the area of your home, you might not be able to get anything else back for the money you 'consumed'.
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  • leaf green style avatar for user laura.jacobs
    adding an addition to your house provides work for the granite guy, the interior decorator and the plumber. Typically when we say "investment" we are referring to a financial return. If you're referring to a social good or something else, I would calculate that separately. I do think of granite countertops as "consumption", but I can also see that it provides a work for a contractor.
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  • female robot grace style avatar for user andersjorgen
    Wouldn't buying the granite contribute to labor demand for granite installing, thus fueling the economy? Also, it would increase the demand for granite. I'd argue that is in fact also increasing value to the society.
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Russell Palka
    By consuming the granite, floors, room addition etc does that not produce "investment" for the businesses that provided these consumables thereby contributing to the overall economic good of the economy?
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    • piceratops ultimate style avatar for user Darmon
      To put it simply, it is the company itself and its factories that are the investment, not the countertop. When you buy the counter top, you give the money to the company and they give you the counter top. It's an even trade. The counter top would be an investment if it produced something (or contributed to doing so), but at best it just retains its value; it will probably even lose value as it gets old and goes out of style. :)
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Video transcript

I've been wanting to make a video on a couple of terms that people have really thrown around for a while now. And I think it really hits the core of some of the issues we're dealing with now with the credit debacle but it's kind of at a deeper level. So the things I want to go over are the ideas of savings, consumption, and investment. And you hear these a lot. Everyone obviously says, I've invested in the stock market or I've invested in a house and I really want to give you a framework for how I think about these ideas. And frankly, I haven't seen them depicted this way in any economics book, although they've kind of touched on this, but I think this is really how you should think about these things. So if you save money, and I think we all know what that means, that's money that you didn't spend, there's a couple of things that you can do with it. You can either consume your money or you could invest your money. So, let's just think about a bunch of different situations and think about whether those things are consumption or investment. So let's say, I have $100,000 that I'm dealing with. So let's say, I take that $100,000 and I build a factory. And I think that that factory is going to be able to produce-- I'll make up some product-- it'll be able to produce cars more efficiently and cheaper than any other car factory out there. Well, I think we'd all agree that this is an investment. And why is it an investment? Because I'm taking this $100,000 and I'm putting it to some use that is creating, hopefully, more value than my original $100,000. In fact, I'm expecting some type of a return on this investment. And I've made a bunch of videos on what a return on investment is, and you can usually quantify it. If I take a $100,000 and I build this factory and this factory spits out $50,000 a year, it's probably creating at least $50,000 a year value, assuming that nothing corrupt is happening in our system. In fact, it's normally creating more than $50,000 a year of value. It may be creating a $100,000 a year of value and $50,000 of that may be going to the person who's doing the production and then the other half of the value is actually going to the consumer of whatever this factory is making. And you have to think about it, because if all of the value went to the person who produced the factory then there's not a huge incentive for someone to use his products anymore. But anyway, that's not the topic of discussion. We're just trying to get at a mental framework on what consumption is versus investment. So I think we all agree that if I were to build a factory that this is-- let's say I'll do everything in green as investment. So building a factory is an investment. Now let's say that I'm homeless and I have this $100,000. And because I'm homeless, I don't have a place to go and eat dinner and rest and relax. Because I don't have that, I can't get a job and I can't become a productive member of society. So maybe, I'm going to use this $100,000 to buy a simple house that meets all of my needs. Let's say build a simple house, and I'll do that in a neutral color. This is my other use of this $100,000, instead of building a factory, I'm going to build a simple house. And this house, it provides shelter for me and my family, it allows us that security that now my kids can go to school and they can themselves become more productive citizens. I now have an address. I have a place to take a shower, that allows me to go get a job and I can now create value for society as a whole, instead of being on the corner and begging for money from people. I would argue that this is also an investment. Why is it? Because I'm taking this $100,000, that maybe I had or someone gave to me, and it's generating a return. And what is that return? Well, with a factory, it's maybe a little easier to quantify. But at minimum, it's this work that I'm able to do because I now have a house. Because I have the security, I have the address. I have the shelter. I'm able to relax. It's that security and it's also the return that probably my kids are going to be able to now contribute to society. Maybe if they grew up homeless, they would have never been able to contribute. And now that they have a roof over their head, and are able to go to school, et cetera, they are going to be able to give some economic value back to society. It's hard to value, maybe I didn't have any job before and now I have a job and I can contribute $30,000 a year to society. Maybe I'm working at someone's factory. Maybe I'm providing some other-- maybe I'm a farmer now. Whatever, I'm providing some source of value. And maybe my kids-- if they never got an education, they would have maybe added $10,000 of value per year to people and now they can add $20,000 of value. So that difference would also be some of the return on this investment. So I also consider this to be an investment. Now, my question to you is, let's say that I already had a house-- so this is an investment. Let's say I already had a house and my family is happy and we have everything we need. We have food on the table and my kids go to school and I'm able to get a job and all of that exists. But let's say, I still have a $100,000 and I use that $100,000-- I'll do it in yellow-- to put in some granite counter tops. I have some money left over, let's say, I'm going to add a bathroom to my house and I will put the latest hardwood floors, so that my family will be impressed. You can imagine. And maybe I add 2,000 square feet. You normally can't get all that for a $100,000 but I think you'll bear with me. So I'm essentially doing some major home improvements. So my question to you is-- is this an investment or is this consumption? Now, in our everyday world, with most people we deal with, they will call this investment in my house. And why are they saying that? Because they say, by spending a $100,000 in the house in this way, that maybe-- if you watch the Home and Garden channel, they're doing this all the time-- that if you pour this a $100,000 into your house, that maybe the value of your house is going to increase by $150,000. Or someone else, all of a sudden, is going to perceive the value of your house as being $150,000. They'll say, well, you got a $50,000 return on investment. I'd argue that that is not investment. That it's speculation. You are, essentially, piling money into this stuff-- and I'll do this in red, consumption is red. What's happening here truly economically? When you add granite, or you add an extra bathroom or hardwood floors or this extra 2,000 square feet, is it making anyone who's living in that house more productive? Is it making you harder working; is it making you more likely to invent the cure for cancer, or more likely to invent a way of getting cheap energy, or produce more widgets? No, it's just, if anything, providing more things for you to have to take care of, that you're not going to be able to focus as much on your work. Or more energy is going to have to be extended to maintain this type of place, to heat and cool a 2,000 square foot house. So if anything, by actually pouring the $100,000 here, you're actually creating something that is going to suck more out of society. In fact, in no way is this going to contribute to the collective wealth of society. The last two examples I gave contribute to the collective wealth society, some of which you share, and that is your return on the investment. But as a whole, this is an investment into society. And it's going to make the pie bigger. This right here, does not make the pie bigger. It might make you a little bit happier, make your ego feel a little bit better, let your pride grow, and your self righteousness grow, and show other people that you've arrived, but it's not going to increase the wealth of society. And when you say that you've invested, you are really just saying I've speculated. What you're saying is-- by paying this $100,000, you're going to find, essentially, a greater fool out there. They could have done the same thing, they could have bought your house, spent $100,000 and done this, if this is what would have made them happy. But what you're saying is, essentially, that you're going to find somebody out there who's willing to pay $150,000 extra for something that should have only cost $100,000. And in fact, if anything, if you use this at all, the value of this is going to go down. So you're just somehow assuming that the granite counter tops that you choose are going to be the taste that someone else would like or that the hardwood floors are going to be the taste someone else would like. I would actually argue that when you customize your house in this way, you are creating $100,000 of consumption to your taste. And I'd be surprised if someone else, truly, is willing to pay more than $100,000 unless they're being, in some way, irrational or they can finance this because it's part of the mortgage. Anyway, this is, I think, just the big picture: investment adds value to society. A simple house adds value to society. Consumption is something where people might call it an investment because it's kind of speculation. One might find some other guy willing to emotionally pay more for something. But it's money that's burned; it's not creating more value for society. I continue this in the next video.